Discussion for the 11th puzzle

I'm not playing it close to the chest, I'm just stumped. I did notice something interesting in the page source though.

nput tpe="hidden" nme="threadnum" vlue="9"

nput tpe="hidden" nme="question" vlue="11"

(not actual code, edited to make it show up)


Maybe it is a hint that this clue has something to do with 9/11, why else would they leave that code in the source if it isn't useful?


[edit on 19-8-2008 by DraconianKing]

Based on this...

AND FINALLY IT WILL BE OBSERVED THAT THE MISSING COMPONENT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT IS SEEN.

This below, is seeing what was not seen, minus that which what was previsously seen.



Interesting to note that there are 26 unseen (seen now) dots, which is precisely the number of usually seen letters in the English alphabet.

[edit on 20-8-2008 by Zarniwoop]

Originally posted by DraconianKing
nput tpe="hidden" nme="threadnum" vlue="9"
nput tpe="hidden" nme="question" vlue="11"

The previous HTML had those fields, too, except 'threadnum' wasn't hidden -- and 'question' changed 1-10 with each puzzle. Maybe the default value '9' for the hidden threadnum field is a little joke; maybe it's a clue? It would depend on the question='11' coincidence, though, if it was a clue...

I noticed the source also but figured it was part of the design, in that an answer needed to be put to the DB for those fields to process and SO just put the answers in the field hidden. I also believe the 9 11 is a clue though.

I can't help but think Catherders post, 9/11: A Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon would contain the final answer as it is the single most popular thread/conspiracy on ATS.

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Like DraconianKing, I'm not trying to be more silent on this one, I'm just reeling at all the possibilities that could be used to solve this thing.

Here are my thoughts to date:

* I believe the fact that there are 26 blacked out dots or squares is significant
* I believe the file names are significant as they each vary in length, but with no set pattern that I can see. Below are the names for each glyph with the count of characters in the filename in parenthesis:

32424003 (8)
123687893450 (12)
3409837421237 (13)
875468 (6)
876545711111 (12)
7823408345280124671515 (22)
234560054 (9)
09933121222209 (14)
6737892487702345345344 (22)
123978576458576586465 (21)

* The thought had occurred to me that since a variety of techniques were employed to solve each of the 10 previous puzzles that maybe this, the final puzzle, might be so difficult as to require a little but of each technique in order to solve this one.

For example, look at how the first three sets of glyphs are "symmetrical" if you rotate the 1st or 3rd glyph in the second set on it's horizontal axis. You would have the following numbers for missing dots:

2, 13, 2
19, 11, 19 (or 2, 11, 2)
8, 20, 8

That reminds me of the RGB channels in puzzle four where the Red and Blue channels were always the same.

I know it's a stretch, but I'm trying to consider all of the possibilities here.

Guys, check out this encryption method. It looks like the most promising so far. I'd be interested in knowing what you think.

en.wikipedia.org...

It could work if the puzzle is incomplete like I think it is or if the numbers are there merely to distract us.

reply to post by sos37


this is awesome.
this is truly most promising so far.

the puzzle pieces and number must some go together



each of these are, phrases or set words.

32424003
123687893450
3409837421237
875468
876545711111
7823408345280124671515
234560054
09933121222209
6737892487702345345344
123978576458576586465 (21)

[edit on 20-8-2008 by ragster]

That's about it, really. I still haven't found an approach that seems at all promising. But I felt the need to acknowledge that I'm still looking.

Same here, nothing promising at all. I hope we can do it before a clue needs to be given.

reply to post by Kellter


It be nice to know whether or not the filename for each of the individual puzzles plays a part or the "dot" practice puzzle for that matter. Also, I can't help but think of guitar chords when I see these grids. Although they are turned the wrong way.

I absolutely have no idea where to begin. This just isn't my bag.

This is probably irrelevant but I just wanted to point out that the large "What is the conspiracy?" banner that was at the top of the main ATS page has now been removed.

reply to post by Freenrgy2

Also, I can't help but think of guitar chords when I see these grids

I was thinking 'exactly' the same thing for the past couple days, with the left "E" string never being plucked.

I must admit, I'm fretting over this one

reply to post by Zarniwoop


Here's a thought: "The missing component is more important than what is seen". What if this puzzle doesn't involve sight but...sound.

Each grid is 13 x 16 pixels. The number 16 is important. Did you know that there have been many threads here where 16 hz plays an important part in mind control. I read somewhere else that the urge to defecate happens between 10.5 - 16 Hz. Also, including the half-steps, there are 13 notes in a scale. Could each "missing" component be a note or frequency?

hearing for the human ear is somewhere between 16 Hz and 20000 Hz

The last puzzle was phonetic. Maybe this was a clue that SOUND is important. After all, the practice puzzle said "Solving this glyph provides advantage upon final puzzle". And this is the FINAL puzzle.

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
After all, the practice puzzle said "Solving this glyph provides advantage upon final puzzle". And this is the FINAL puzzle.

Hmm! I had forgotten about that. I'll have to go back and analyze that puzzle some more.

I've been trying various things, but with nothing that's leading to any 'ah-ha!' moments... so I've been looking at previous puzzles a little closer, seeing if there's anything we've been missing.

A strange thing is that there seems to be a shift in the cipher alphabet in various puzzles that follow the same pattern, at different points in the text. Maybe this is significant? For example, puzzle #8:

Input text: "d-w-w-v-j-z -h-s-x-b -e-m-g-x-o -e-l-e-y- o-n-r-f-t- h-x-u-q-s-"
Input alphabet "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
...
a-s-r-p-c-r -y-i-m-p -r-y-r-h-x -m-s-k-d- s-q-t-g-t- g-v-r-m-n- (mult=25, ofs=23)
government
b-t-s-q-d-s -z-j-n-q -s-z-s-i-y -n-t-l-e- t-r-u-h-u- h-w-s-n-o- (mult=25, ofs=24)
installed throughout
c-u-t-r-e-t -a-k-o-r -t-a-t-j-z -o-u-m-f- u-s-v-i-v- i-x-t-o-p- (mult=25, ofs=25)
counterfeit backdoor

The cipher alphabet shifted one extra position in the middle of the third word ('stealthily').

The same thing was true for puzzle #5; even though the first letters were given, the cipher followed a straight sequence, only shifting at two points in the phrase.

Originally posted by Ian McLean

A strange thing is that there seems to be a shift in the cipher alphabet in various puzzles that follow the same pattern, at different points in the text. Maybe this is significant? For example, puzzle #8:

Also for puzzle #7! I don't have time right now but I'll post later a screenshot of how I finally got it to work out. It involves one flat-out "wrong" letter and one point where the pattern suddenly "slips". Also in the word "sextets" the second e is replaced by QMS for no apparent reason.

A screenshot of the key I used is here.


Edited to add link and QMS info. And grrrrr why is it that when you preview an edit and then make a change the second change gets posted but not the original edit?

[edit on 22-8-2008 by americandingbat]

[edit on 22-8-2008 by americandingbat]

I don't know if this is significant. I have been looking at those filenames and see if I can make sense in them.

Glyph Set Glyph Set Filenames Previous Puzzle Filenames
#1 32424003 sjskwiiw991919
#2 123687893450 a9oeb3
#3 23409837421237 993jsuwvaauh
#4 875468 8uhnbsgt62bs
#5 876545711111 09djnc63jsnxhswnns
#6 7823408345280124671515 77susjlh9
#7 234560054 9i77ysysw
#8 09933121222209 (?)
#9 6737892487702345345344 88usjywwyshsns
#10 123978576458576586465 fdsunasdn8222

[edit on 22-8-2008 by Deaf Alien]

[edit on 22-8-2008 by Deaf Alien]

Can we make a list of the conspiracies we have seen through this game, maybe somehow the answer is tied into the past ones in some type of overall something

All i know to say to yall is good luck

REMEMBER HOWEVER

Each puzzle unlocked these codes so they in some way have to be assosiated with the puzzle they were a part of it.

Keep up the good work... i've been checking twice daily to see if anyone has solved it. it is a tough one

reply to post by rjmelter


Yes that what I was thinking too. Each set appeared in each previous puzzle. There has to be some kind of code, maybe from the filenames or the answers.