Okay, I'm snapping. Begin rant:

Why do I get the feeling that no one is going to be able to solve this puzzle either? (with out a partial solution from ATS)

I've been looking at the last double cipher puzzle and no one has a CLUE as to how the colors got decoded to read the answer they gave us (which subsequently also had to be deciphered). Sure, someone was able to figure out the second part, but only because ATS gave us the first part.

My point is, they've made these puzzles mathematically and statistically almost impossible to figure out. A double cipher? Fine, but a double cipher where we can't even figure out how the first cipher was coded even AFTER we are given the answer!?

There's a word for that: impossible. If this 5th puzzle is a double cipher, then I'm predicting now that no one will solve this until ATS tells us what the first cipher is.

The reason I say this are the numbers. Unless the first cipher is some very simple conversion, you'll never know which deciphering you are getting wrong - the first one or the second one.

Don't get me wrong, these cryptograms are great if you seriously don't want people to decipher them, but this is supposed be at least possible, right?

For example, if this origami thing is a double cipher (which it could quite possibley be), with some very tricky/obscure way of encoding it (like the first part of the last double cipher), then there are literally thousands of different ways we could play games with rotating/splitting/shifting/cycling these triangles. But we will NEVER know if we get the first part right because you would have to then compare each candidate solution with again, dozens or hundreds of other possible second part deciphers. When you multiply both possibilities, we are talking about many many weeks of testing.

This shouldn't be about brute force deciphering, this should be about logic and clues that make sense. It shouldn't be easy, but certainly, by no means should it be impossible.

Sorry I'm ranting, but this game is getting un-fun, quick. Someone had to say it.

Evening fella's and ladies!

Some very good points have been made (and If I get time this evening or tomorrow I will collate all the clues and points into one post) and I'm liking the idea of the 'square the circle' thread.

I had a dream last night that I used a scrabble board to solve the answer. A long shot I know, but here I sit with a scrabble board in front of me now

Welp, time to try to sum up what I've been doing for two days.

I drew up a chart of the possible 12 X 12 glyphs and isolated the rows and columns that are created by the pictured glyphs. Using the six glyph legend inverted, there are four extra glyphs which I denoted as STUV to continue the existing series. Mapping the 22 glyphs gives you the following:

columns:

SM
HPORLKAU
TQ
EV
JCG

rows:

HINEJB
LTV
SK
MAQFDG
RC

I then subtracted the glyphs in the six glyph legend, removing all the MHSTUV's that occur.

What remains is a 26 character alphabet as follows;
PORLKA
QEJCG
INEJB
L
K
MAQFDG
RC
The following letters are used twice C, K G, E, R, L, A, Q, J - meaning they each can be two letters.

(I think the clue NIINE refers to nine sets of double letters.)

I subtracted the H's and M's from the original series which leaves:

ABCDEFG BIJDFKE LFNODCPANN LFGFIQQRJ PAKAF

I put that in a crypto solve and came up with two words CROWLEY and BEHEADING which works because the G can represent two letters - Y and H in this case.

But now, I've been trying to decode the other three words all night and have gotten stuck. I, of course, tried entering thread numbers related to Louis XVI and Alistair Crowley with no success. I'm so tired that I think I might be totally on the wrong track. It feels right, but the answer is not coming and I need to sleep.

So, I'm throwing this out there.

[edit on 13-8-2008 by msdesertrat]

I don't believe that these glyphs directly translate to letters. There has to be some manipulation involved. I still can't shake the morse code angle. Squares (dashes) and circles (dots) fit perfect. Ans it could be that the top half is very different from the bottom half.

I think I've figured out the ENIIN

And it's been staring us in the face the whole time. Unless it's a bit of misdirection, I think it must be the first letter of each word. Now I'm going to go revise my key to account for that

Disregard..........


Double Tapped

[edit on 13-8-2008 by Kellter]

Good Morning! Look at the LOGO! ENIIN might be right! Good job!

I just want to throw this out there. Are the "spaces" shown in the cryptogram real spaces and could there be a letter that actually represents a space instead? It's possible the spaces we see are meaningless and instead, D (for example) represents a space between words?

Or maybe each group of letters is actually 2 words...

ABCDEFG HBIJDFKE LFMNODCPANN LFGFIQMQRS HPAKAF

ALSO some were saying it wasn't ENIIN, but CKEEK instead... Which is right? I wasn't here for the other puzzle.

[edit on 13-8-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Good Morning! Look at the LOGO! ENIIN might be right! Good job!

ALSO some were saying it wasn't ENIIN, but CKEEK instead... Which is right? I wasn't here for the other puzzle.

[edit on 13-8-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

Good Morning! The logo had already turned right-side-up when I logged on this morning, so I don't think it's related to the ENIIN. But I am feeling new hope this morning.

It is ENIIN, not CKEEK. The confusion is probably my fault, because early in this thread, using Ian McLean's preliminary correspondences from that puzzle, I put CKEEK. But those are just the random letters he used to work with the puzzle, not the final translation. Kind of like writing the first word in this puzzle as "ABCDEFG"