Reptilians - Could someone please explain?, page 2

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by Anonymous ATS

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If I knew a massive pot head and he started jabbering on at me telling me that Reptilians exist etc etc then that would make me disbelieve it even more!

I anticipate at least one reply from someone telling me that the reason he knows about these Reptilians is because the marijuana has helped him see the truth and become enlightened!

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First, my humble attempt to deny (social) ignorance...

Cannabis does not cause hallucinations. Nor does it cause mental disorders (although it will unmask a pre-existing mental disorder.) THC (one of the active ingredients in cannabis) mimics naturally occurring annandomides that regulate memory function, pain relief, appetite, and mood (among other things.)

In other words pot will not make you see little green men that aren't there. If you do see little green men pot will only make you appreciate their green color more fully, then will likely make you forget about them when you become preoccupied with finding something to eat. Depicting cannabis users as raving lunatics does nothing to further your argument, it only passes on a cultural stereotype.

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Now to deny a little scientific ignorance...

I am a little surprised that no one has brought this up before but there is no such thing as a shape shifter. The ability to change one's shape and mass may make an excellent literary device but it has no real life analog. The closest example would be a chameleon or cuttlefish but they just change their coloration - not their shape or mass. Mixing genes (ala Anunaki experiments to create a slave race) would not give one this ability, it would result in permanent physical differences from the base genetic stock. Even if such a chimera inherited a chameleon-like color changing ability they would be unable to hide boney skull ridges or a tail or for that matter the number of digits on the end of one's limbs.

IMHO this argument by itself proves that Mr. Icke and is ilk are either delusional or charlatans trying to sell books and videos.

[edit on 12-8-2008 by WereBear]

Originally posted by WereBear

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by Anonymous ATS

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If I knew a massive pot head and he started jabbering on at me telling me that Reptilians exist etc etc then that would make me disbelieve it even more!

I anticipate at least one reply from someone telling me that the reason he knows about these Reptilians is because the marijuana has helped him see the truth and become enlightened!

[soapbox]

First, my humble attempt to deny (social) ignorance...

Cannabis does not cause hallucinations. Nor does it cause mental disorders (although it will unmask a pre-existing mental disorder.) THC (one of the active ingredients in cannabis) mimics naturally occurring annandomides that regulate memory function, pain relief, appetite, and mood (among other things.)

In other words pot will not make you see little green men that aren't there. If you do see little green men pot will only make you appreciate their green color more fully, then will likely make you forget about them when you become preoccupied with finding something to eat. Depicting cannabis users as raving lunatics does nothing to further your argument, it only passes on a cultural stereotype.

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[edit on 12-8-2008 by WereBear]

Thank you for that. Any pot that makes you see things that aren't there isn't 100% pot. You're smoking something else with it.

Originally posted by Shawn B.

Originally posted by ben420
I don't have to prove anything, and neither does DK, because we are not the ones claiming Reptilians exist.

You seem uneasy about the subject.

How do ya figure that?

Yea, sure, in another dimension or another glalaxy 1,000,000,000,000 light years away theres probably some Aliens that look like reptiles,

So, then you are willing to believe there might be.

Yes, I just said that it's entirely possible, I just don't believe they would be anywhere near Earth.

are they here on Earth parading around as our leaders and appearing in Youtube videos? No.

Your the the one who brought up youtube and the leaders we see in public are them, not me or the OP'er....

Yes, thank you for this ground breaking relevation!!!!

I brought up youtube and shapeshifting leaders to highlight the stupidness of the Reptilian conspiracy.



[edit on 12-8-2008 by ben420]

[edit on 12-8-2008 by ben420]

reply to post by WereBear

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Firstly:

While many drugs clearly fall into the category of either stimulant, depressant, hallucinogen, or antipsychotic, cannabis, containing both THC and CBD, exhibits a mix of all properties, leaning towards hallucinogen properties due to THC being the primary constituent.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...(drug)

Q: Does marijuana make you hallucinate even if it isn't laced with anything? A: Cannabis is rarely laced with anything. The main signs to look for if you suspect adulterants would be odd taste or smell, or a dramatic change in the duration of effects. As with most psychoactive drugs, cannabis can cause a wide variety of reactions in different people and at different times. There is also a broad range of potency and types of cannabis, which will cause different types of effects.

Source: www.erowid.org...

Possible causes of symptom: Hallucinations: The following medical conditions are some of the possible causes of Hallucinations as a symptom. There are likely to be other possible causes, so ask your doctor about your symptoms.
Some of the more common possible causes of hallucinations include:
Drug intoxication
LSD intoxication
Marijuana intoxication
Cannabis
Psychotic disorder - see below

Source: www.cureresearch.com...

I have witnessed people suffering from visual hallucinations after they have smoke Marijuana, so I assure you it is indeed possible.

As with any drug, everyone reacts differently, and just because something doesnt happen to the majority of those using it, doesn't mean that it won't happen to everyone that uses it.

Also, with Cannabis's potential to aggravate potential underlying mental conditions, I find it quite reasonable that it could be the cause of a visual hallucination.

Secondly,

I was trying to say that any heavy drug user (which I am assuming the man to be, as he was an internation drug dealer) isn't exactly a credible source when discussing conspiracy theories, rather than discuss the hallucinogenic properties of Marjiuana

Before you read this post, read the following please. For the record, I am not advocating the use of marijuana, it has had many detrimental side effects on me. My short term memory is completely shot, my vocabulary has been compromised, and it has contributed greatly to depression. Stay away from drugs.

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by WereBear

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Firstly:

While many drugs clearly fall into the category of either stimulant, depressant, hallucinogen, or antipsychotic, cannabis, containing both THC and CBD, exhibits a mix of all properties, leaning towards hallucinogen properties due to THC being the primary constituent.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...(drug)

My post is probably going to get deleted, but I have partaken in Cannabis use heavily for years and yes I have hallucinated, but that's because it was laced. I live in B.C. and am exposed to some of the best strains in the world and have never hallucinated off of just marijuana.

Q: Does marijuana make you hallucinate even if it isn't laced with anything? A: Cannabis is rarely laced with anything. The main signs to look for if you suspect adulterants would be odd taste or smell, or a dramatic change in the duration of effects. As with most psychoactive drugs, cannabis can cause a wide variety of reactions in different people and at different times. There is also a broad range of potency and types of cannabis, which will cause different types of effects.

Source: www.erowid.org...

Thats ridiculous, a very large percentage of marijuana is laced with other substances. In my town, well over 50% of the weed here is laced with meth. Gets people hooked way easier.

Possible causes of symptom: Hallucinations: The following medical conditions are some of the possible causes of Hallucinations as a symptom. There are likely to be other possible causes, so ask your doctor about your symptoms.
Some of the more common possible causes of hallucinations include:
Drug intoxication
LSD intoxication
Marijuana intoxication
Cannabis
Psychotic disorder - see below

Source: www.cureresearch.com...

I have witnessed people suffering from visual hallucinations after they have smoke Marijuana, so I assure you it is indeed possible.

As with any drug, everyone reacts differently, and just because something doesnt happen to the majority of those using it, doesn't mean that it won't happen to everyone that uses it.

That is very true everyone reacts differently to drugs, but speaking from years of experience no one I know has hallucinated off of marijuana by itself..

Also, with Cannabis's potential to aggravate potential underlying mental conditions, I find it quite reasonable that it could be the cause of a visual hallucination.

Plausible, assuming the man was schizophrenic. Not all stoners are schizo though.

Secondly,

I was trying to say that any heavy drug user (which I am assuming the man to be, as he was an internation drug dealer) isn't exactly a credible source when discussing conspiracy theories, rather than discuss the hallucinogenic properties of Marjiuana

So that would mean anything I contribute to this board is moot because I myself am a semi-heavy user.



[edit on 13-8-2008 by ben420]

reply to post by ben420

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So that would mean anything I contribute to this board is moot because I myself am a semi-heavy user.

I suppose saying that drug users are not credible is actually quite unfair of me really, I know many very very intelligent people, who have at one stage in their lives used drugs or continue to do so. So, I apologise

Its just the post I was replying to sort of gave me the impression that the drug dealer it was referring too was a drugged up, rambling lunatic sitting in a cell professing to anyone who would listen that lizards control the world

Back on topic; I agree that the various chemicals that are added or mixed with drugs can give people particular effects, however Cannabis does have hallucinogenic properties as stated in the wikki article.

I personally have experienced slight hallucinogenic visuals when I have smoked Marjiuana in the past, I don't know, as I said maybe some people are more susceptible than others, different effects on people with different mindsets?

Even talktofrank.com states its hallucinogenic properties, so I'm sure its could be possible:-

Users may become more aware of their senses or get a feeling of slowing of time, which are due to its hallucinogenic effects.

Source: www.talktofrank.com...



[edit on 13/8/08 by Death_Kron]

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by ben420

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So that would mean anything I contribute to this board is moot because I myself am a semi-heavy user.

I suppose saying that drug users are not credible is actually quite unfair of me really, I know many very very intelligent people, who have at one stage in their lives used drugs or continue to do so. So, I apologise

No hard feelings

Its just the post I was replying to sort of gave me the impression that the drug dealer it was referring too was a drugged up, rambling lunatic sitting in a cell professing to anyone who would listen that lizards control the world

Back on topic; I agree that the various chemicals that are added or mixed with drugs can give people particular effects, however Cannabis does have hallucinogenic properties as stated in the wikki article.

I personally have experienced slight hallucinogenic visuals when I have smoked Marjiuana in the past, I don't know, as I said maybe some people are more susceptible than others, different effects on people with different mindsets?

Even talktofrank.com states its hallucinogenic properties, so I'm sure its could be possible:-

Users may become more aware of their senses or get a feeling of slowing of time, which are due to its hallucinogenic effects.

Source: www.talktofrank.com...

Ahh, now I know where you're coming from. Yes, you become very much more aware of your senses. Forgive me, I thought you were trying to insinuate that some people can see pink dancing elephants while high


Anyways, back on topic before we get a thrashing from a mod.

Reptilians do not control the earth, if you believe they do you may be suffering from schizophrenia (perhaps too much marijuana ) so seek help. Reptilian conspiracies drag ATS down into the mud.

It seems a lot of the "Reptilian" theories came out of the Doctor Who series, mainly the Third Doctor series. There are Dracos, Silurians, and Sea Devils. all from the 1970s. Maybe this is where David Icke got his ideas from:

Doctor Who season guide IMDB:

www.imdb.com...-1

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by ben420

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I suppose saying that drug users are not credible is actually quite unfair of me really, I know many very very intelligent people, who have at one stage in their lives used drugs or continue to do so. So, I apologise

Apology accepted. I also use cannabis both for pain and recreation and get very tired of being cast in the role of "dope fiend" when it is absolutely not the case for myself or anyone I know personally. And I know quite a few cannabis users.

Back on topic; I agree that the various chemicals that are added or mixed with drugs can give people particular effects, however Cannabis does have hallucinogenic properties as stated in the wikki article.

Due to the fact that wikki pages are editable by everyone it is important to check wikki's sources to make sure they are credible. Especially when the subject is as controversial as pot. Many of the so-called scientific studies of cannabis were sponsered by people who want to demonize it and are either set up to fail or thrown in the garbage if the report disagrees with the *accepted* wisdom.

I personally have experienced slight hallucinogenic visuals when I have smoked Marjiuana in the past, I don't know, as I said maybe some people are more susceptible than others, different effects on people with different mindsets?

Even talktofrank.com states its hallucinogenic properties, so I'm sure its could be possible:-

Users may become more aware of their senses or get a feeling of slowing of time, which are due to its hallucinogenic effects.

Source: www.talktofrank.com...

There is a huge difference between what is termed "closed eye visuals" (caused by enhanced perception of eye floaters) and true visual or auditory hallucinations. As to the time dilation, that is not a hallucination but an actual scientifically proven fact and is caused by enhanced perception. It can also be achieved by sudden stress...and is the cause for the whole "life flashing before my eyes" phenomena.

Now back to the real topic (shape shifting reptilians.) No one has addressed my argument that actual shape shifting is impossible, even for our supposed reptilian overlords.

Originally posted by kidflash2008
It seems a lot of the "Reptilian" theories came out of the Doctor Who series, mainly the Third Doctor series. There are Dracos, Silurians, and Sea Devils. all from the 1970s. Maybe this is where David Icke got his ideas from:

Doctor Who season guide IMDB:

www.imdb.com...-1

Oh good grief! - Again, it's not his 'idea, or opinion as the controlled Wikkepedia says, or as people assume... - Look at credo Musla, & most of the Ancient Civilizations!

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