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Originally posted by LovelyDoom
I've been to Hiroshima as well. So sad, so sad.
I'm so glad I never met any Japanese people who held it against me personally for being American (Outwardly - who knows what they may have thought privately, but I hope I changed their stereotypes).
But I cried there, to think what my ancestors had done.
Originally posted by Perplexed
reply to post by ghofer
Yes, yes, yes... And Japan was an innocent by stander in their ultimate destruction. Its not rubbish. Japan would not surrender and their people paid the ultimate price for their stupidity.
They got what they deserved and I am happy it was done. Better their entire nation than one more US sailor or Marine. Some here would rather of had us shed more American blood and even have lost the war as opposed to the Japs losing... Lets not forget who STARTED it and who FINISHED it shall we?..
Also do you think for one minute that if the shoe were on the other foot the Japs would not have dropped the bomb on New York or Washington?
Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
Very good thread. I will always believe that the US did the right thing (saved at least 700000 US soldiers lives) Let us not forget that Japan started this. It is sad that it took 2 atomic bombs to end it. Very sad. Again, awsome read. Thanks.
One of the major issues to be considered was whether an invasion of Japan would cost substantially less lives than dropping the bomb. This is one of the mythical justifications to support the use of nuclear weapons because the President did not have any serious discussions with the military about the potential loss of lives and in addition, most military leaders rejected the use of the bombs. For example, Fleet Admiral William D. Leay, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated that, “The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan”.
Japan had been sending out peace feelers to a number of embassies including the ones in the Soviet Union, Portugal, and Germany. The German Ambassador to Tokyo sent a cable reporting that the Japanese would surrender even if the terms were hard. When the Potsdam Papers were published four years after the war, it became very clear that Truman was well aware of these peace feelers through intercepts of Japanese communications.
Historical scholarship in recent decades has completely refuted the first three assertions, 1) that the bombs saved more lives than they took by eliminating the need for a US ground invasion of Japan, 2) that the bombs were dropped on military targets essential to the Japanese war machine, 3) that the bombs were dropped only after a process of careful deliberation by US leaders.
Most scholars who have studied the use of the atomic bombs agree that Truman and his advisers knew a mainland invasion of Japan to have been "an unlikely possibility" given Japan's dire military situation in late-July 1945 . Even in the event of a US mainland invasion, the highest projected casualty estimates for US forces were not "over a million" like Stimson and Truman later claimed, but between 30,000 and 50,000 . More importantly, prior to August 1945 Truman and his advisers had considered it possible that the war would end without either the atomic bombs or a mainland invasion by US forces .
Based largely on the assertions and omissions of the official narrative, and that narrative's broad acceptance by mainstream commentators, much of the US public continues to deem the use of the atomic bombs justified. As two recent scholars note, the belief "that the bomb, and the bomb alone, ended the war and saved countless American lives remains an article of faith" . The propaganda has been remarkably successful; many US citizens continue to support not only the use of atomic bombs on Japan in 1945, but have also advocated the use of nuclear weaponry in recent conflicts as well (in 1991 almost half of the US public supported the use of atomic weapons against Iraq) .