reply to post by groingrinder
I'm with you groingrinder, I believe in aliens and I believe in abduction ... because I've had life-changing experiences with both, literally !!!
(I have two threads on here - links in signature if anyone wants to read them).
And there are numerous reasons why I knew the OP was a hoaxer ... including all the points you made. I tried searching for the old thread I mentioned
in my previous posts with no joy, so I u2u'd Springer who was responsible for banning the boy who made the thread (friend of guy in vid). He got back
to me today as he's been away, but the MODS have obviously already called this one.
But I'm really enjoying the dialogue between MA and Riggs, because I can see both sides of the debate.
Obviously MA is an 'experiencer' his/herself, so naturally has very passionate feelings about the subject matter.
(MA, I can't keep referring to you as him/her etc so because of your avatar I'll refer to you in the feminine ... if you're a guy ... oops and
MA, I fully understand your inclination towards the OP ... just because he's a hoaxer (and he is), doesn't mean he doesn't raise some interesting
ideas and information ... but trust me he IS NOT an alien. That's not to say he has not had some kind of contact experience ... the other alternative
is that he truly believes he is an alien (remember it's a very, very fine line between sanity and madness) !
Having said that, I totally agree with the point you made concerning 'real' alien(s) choosing to announce themselves on ATS or any other UFO
Yes, I believe they would be shouted down and labelled hoaxers in the first instance. But surely a real alien would be able to clarify their
authenticity ... and would do so without hesitation, otherwise what would the point of their announcement to the world be without back-up (I'm sure
they are well aware of the sceptical nature the majority of humans have). Another distinguishing point I believe would be their willingness to answer
all the questions put to them ... answers that could be scientifically validated and proven as correct ... not just sketchy/random replies with the
promise of more to follow later (as seems to be the case with the 'aliens' who have presented themselves on ATS to date). lol
I've often thought the same thing, particularly about UFO's ... almost every piece of photographic / video evidence that gets posted, gets blown out
of the sky (figuratively speaking). And personally I'm convinced that a percentage of the UFO pics that turn-up on here are the real thing ...
unfortunately they get lost in amongst the dusty basement of old threads without being properly analyzed.
but hey that's the nature of the
beast ! And until a UFO lands in someones backyard and takes a photo call nothing's going to change the opinion of the sceptic.
Rigg ... I like your style. I think it's ultra-important to keep at least one foot on the ground at all times and you do just that by raising some
excellent points and counter-points.
Even as an 'experiencer' I know it's vital to look for alternatives before accepting the obvious because 9 times out of 10 there is a logical
(earthbound) explanation for such events.
I also see the point you make about genuine abductees opening the door for the lunatic-brigade ... now that's a hard one.
Firstly, I believe people reporting or at least talking about their genuine experiences is very important
(i) The more accounts we hear ... the more we can compare ... the stronger the understanding becomes.
(ii) The more genuine encounter/abduction accounts there are available for people to read, the more comforting/reassurring it is to someone who's
just had their first experience ... just knowing they're not going crazy or on their own.
How do we stop the morons claiming to be aliens or pretending they've been abducted ?
who TF know's.
For the now all we can do is keep our wits about us ... keep an open mind ... and give some serious thought to the points that people like you make
... to help us keep that foot on the ground ... because once we lift them both off the terra we are in danger of joining the wonderful world of
fantasy and illusion. And when we step through that door all credibiity goes down the drain with an almighty GLUG !
In my opinion this is far too important a subject fo us to suffer fools gladly ... 'reality' has never been so important as it is when discussing
Thanks Both. Woody