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Topic started on 9-8-2008 @ 12:11 PM by TrueAmerican

Video: Captured Russian pilot being interrogated by Georgian side


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Reportedly, one of the Russian pilots of the bomber air jet, shot down by the Georgian side, managed ejection.

The pilot has been detained by the Georgian forces. As it has been reported, his interrogation is being held at present.

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reply posted on 9-8-2008 @ 12:11 PM by TrueAmerican
Anyone here speak Russian that can translate this for us?

Geneva Conventions, anyone? I thought it was against them to show prisoners of war in the media?

But then again this is all happening so fast, Georgia's got much bigger problems on their hands to worry about stuff like this.

Another video of Bush's statements:


He says attacks are occurring far outside the zone of conflict, and that Georgia is a sovereign territory and must be respected, as well as "We take this very seriously."

Why soooo seriously? They are not a member of NATO, and probably a good thing at the moment, seeing as NATO would have likely been drawn in. The answer imho: oil.

USA behind this for oil?


I've also been trying to find out what weapon was fired at the plane(s), but so far no luck. From USA Today:

Utiashvili would not say what weapons were fired at the plane. Under an agreement between Georgia and the internationally unrecognized government of Abkhazia, which broke away from central government control in the early 1990s, Georgian defense ministry forces and heavy weaponry cannot be deployed in the Kodori Gorge. Interior Ministry forces are not prohibited.


But it might be an S-200, given an incident which happened years ago:

Experts Believe Russian Plane Shot Down by Missile
Experts investigating the recent crash of a Russian TU-154 airliner in the Black Sea claimed that they had discovered fragments of an S-200 anti-aircraft missile in the plane's wreckage, Interfax reported Tuesday.

The agency quoted an expert on condition of anonymity that " there are serious reasons to believe that there are fragments of an S-200 missile in the plane's wreckage.


But then again, could it have shot down by some US-supplied anti-aircraft system?

Interestingly, globalsecurity.org has very little on the subject.

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reply posted on 10-8-2008 @ 02:15 PM by LiquidMirage
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If Georgia would be a member of NATO Russia wouldn't have the balls to attack and invade. Just being a member of such and organization like that carries with it a certain degree of deterrence. That may not be the case 100% of the time but I'd still put money on it in this case.


reply posted on 10-8-2008 @ 02:19 PM by pluckynoonez
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Geneva Conventions? Puh-lease, that man is an enemy combatant! Bring out the car batteries! His testicles must fry in order to obtain "information," for the fate of an entire nation depends on it! Glad we cleared that up.


reply posted on 10-8-2008 @ 02:21 PM by TrueAmerican
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Hmm, I might not be so willing to take that bet in this case. Georgia's too close to home for the Russians, and they have a vested interest in the separatists seeing as 90% have Russian passports. And did you hear what the Russian President said about them having a duty by law to protect their citizens?

But you are right to a large degree. It certainly would have made them think about attacking Georgia a lot harder.


reply posted on 10-8-2008 @ 02:52 PM by TrueAmerican
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Thanks so much maloy!

Very interesting, because it would seem to me that some form of pretty sophisticated missile would have to be used to down a Russian aircraft, no? And I guess what I am getting at here is that I suspect that either the US had something to do with it, or may have supplied the Georgian military with a sophisticated enough system to do it with.

Georgia was seeking an air defense system back in 2004-2005, that much I have read. I can dig up the links if needed. But I couldn't find much on if they were able to obtain a system capable of doing this. And don't recon aircraft fly at very high altitudes, making them tougher to hit?


reply posted on 10-8-2008 @ 03:15 PM by TrueAmerican
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ok, so in your opinion, what kind of missile would be needed to down one of those puppies?

And also, did you see my post above about the identification of the dead Russian pilot? You have any opinion on that?


reply posted on 10-8-2008 @ 03:18 PM by LiquidMirage
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Forgive me if I seem to be a little off the 8 ball on this subject but I just can’t help but think this is nothing more (or less) than a proxy war between the U.S. and Russia. Does anybody else get that impression?

This is the reason I said that Russia wouldn’t have the balls to go after Georgia if it was part of NATO. Would Russia run the risk of a full blown war with the west over Georgia? I highly doubt it but that’s just my opinion.


reply posted on 10-8-2008 @ 03:34 PM by pluckynoonez
Originally posted by LiquidMirage
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post by TrueAmerican



Forgive me if I seem to be a little off the 8 ball on this subject but I just can’t help but think this is nothing more (or less) than a proxy war between the U.S. and Russia. Does anybody else get that impression?

This is the reason I said that Russia wouldn’t have the balls to go after Georgia if it was part of NATO. Would Russia run the risk of a full blown war with the west over Georgia? I highly doubt it but that’s just my opinion.



No one wants to war with mutually assured destruction (that is, if Russia still has all their nukes). If it is a proxy war, and this is what Dick Cheney wanted, expect to head for the mountains soon.


reply posted on 10-8-2008 @ 04:58 PM by TrueAmerican
The lack of information on exactly what kind of anti aircraft systems Georgia has is becoming rather conspicuous after some searching. And suspicious even. Especially of the type that could take out a high flying modern Russian aircraft.

But so many things affect what we can really believe at this point:

1) We don't know exactly what kind of Russian aircraft that was. That captured Russian pilot may be intentionally lying. And if I am not mistaken, most military personnel that could become POW's are specifically trained for the event, are they not?

2) While the Russians clearly know the risks of war, one would think that they would anticipate a response based upon their intel of the AA systems currently in use in Georgia. Or at least what they think is there.

3) Since it was more than one aircraft, whatever Georgia has is somewhat effective, that much we know.

4) We've seen video of lower flying Russian aircraft, opening up the possibility that it could have been one of those taken out with a portable launcher sporting something like a
FIM-92 Stinger, or less, in which case maybe the US wasn't directly involved other than the possible provision of those to Georgia.

Who knows? But they sure did grab that pilot pretty quick. Someone knows by now a lot of info on those planes, and what took them down. And something tells me I'm not the only one wondering, either. Some reports are there were 5 shot down, in which case I really have to wonder WTF the Russians are doing. Or what the Georgians might really have, is more the point.

There is not enough information to be sure of just how deep US or NATO involvement in this mess will go. The sad part for the average citizen is to have to be 10 steps behind what is really going on. By the time we know this escalates, we could all be dead, with the NWO safely secured in their hideaways. These days escalation is measured in bigger and badder buttons which don't take all that long to press.
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