Originally posted by Nola213

Originally posted by ken10
The problem is even in the 21st century some people are still unable to live life through their own morals and common sense, and cannot trust their own judgment. They constantly seek approval and pats on the back Just like a dog serving its master.........No wonder the term sheeple is used.

Imho the sooner religion is dumped the sooner we as a world can unite as one.

100% agreed, more blood has been shed in religious wars than all the other wars combined.

While mostly all religions agree that killing another person is wrong it's pretty ironic huh?

I also don't think a "loveing" god would allow 5 year old children to be raped, and murdered. If there is a God, and he does have the power to do anything, and allows this type of stuff to go on, well I'd like to see his or her sadistic a$$ hung.


here's an entertaining piece, which pretty much sums up my feelings on religion

www.youtube.com...

I also don't think a "loveing" god would allow 5 year old children to be raped, and murdered. If there is a God, and he does have the power to do anything, and allows this type of stuff to go on, well I'd like to see his or her sadistic a$$ hung.

"

TABLE 3.1
Selected Pre-20th Century Democide and Totals1

Cases Years2 Democide3 Religious?

China 221 B.C.-19 C. 33,519,0004 No
Mongols 14 C-15 C 29,927,000 No
Slavery of Africans 1451-1870 17,267,000 No
Amer-Indians 16 C-19 C 13,778,000 No
Thirty Years War 1618-1648 5,750,000 No
In India 13 C-1 9 C 4,511,0005 No
In Iran 5 C-19 C 2,000,0004,5 No
Ottoman Empire 12 C-19 C 2,000,0005 No
In Japan 1570-19 C 1,500,0005 No
In Russia 10 C-19 C 1,007,0005 No
Christian Crusades 1095-1272 1,000,000 Yes
By Aztecs Centuries 1,000,0006 No
Spanish Inquisition 16 C-18 C 350,000 Yes
French Revolution 1793-1794 263,000 No
Albigensian Crusade 1208-1249 200,000 Yes
Witch Hunts 15 C-17 C 100,000 Yes

Total For All Cases pre-20 C 133,147,000 1,650,000
Hypothetical Total 30 C B.C.-19 C A.D. 625,716,0007

International war-related dead 30 C B.C.-19 C A.D. 40,457,0008
Plague dead (Black Death) 541 A.D.-1912 102,070,0009

Adopted from STATISTICS OF DEMOCIDE.
Unless otherwise noted, years and centuries are A.D.
Unless otherwise noted, these are a best guess estimate in a low to high range.
Excludes democide in China by Mongols.
An absolute low.
A very speculative absolute low.
From STATISTICS OF DEMOCIDE.. Calculated from the 20th century democide rate and the population for each century since 30 B.C.
From table STATISTICS OF DEMOCIDE. Total undoubtedly inflated by democide.
A minimum: includes plague dead in circa 541-542 A.D.; 1346-1771 in Europe; 1771 in Moscow; 1894 in Hong Kong; and 1898-1912 in India. From Duplaix (1988, p. 677-678).
What percentage of these killings were due to religious democide? It is less than 3% of the totals. The surprising thing is that these killings occurred during a period of time when virtually all the peoples of the world were involved in some sort of religion. Here is the data for the 20th century:

TABLE 1.2
20th Century Democide1

REGIMES YEARS DEMOCIDE2 Atheist?

U.S.S.R. 1917-87 61,911,000 Yes
China (PRC) 1949-87 35,236,000 Yes
Germany 1933-45 20,946,000 No
China (KMT) 1928-49 10,075,000 No
Japan 1936-45 5,964,000 No
China (Mao Soviets)3 1923-49 3,466,000 Yes
Cambodia 1975-79 2,035,000 Yes
Turkey (Armenian Genocide) 1909-18 1,883,000 No
Vietnam 1945-87 1,670,000 Yes
Poland 1945-48 1,585,000 Yes
Pakistan 1958-87 1,503,000 No
Yugoslavia (Tito) 1944-87 1,072,000 Yes
North Korea 1948-87 1,663,000 Yes
Mexico 1900-20 1,417,000 No
Russia 1900-17 1,066,000 Yes
China (Warlords) 1917-49 910,000 No
Turkey (Ataturk) 1919-23 878,000 No
United Kingdom 1900-87 816,000 No
Portugal (Dictatorship) 1926-82 741,000 No
Indonesia 1965-87 729,000 No
LESSER MURDERERS 1900-87 2,792,000 ?
WORLD TOTAL 1900-87 169,202,000 107,047,000

From STATISTICS OF DEMOCIDE.
Includes genocide, politicide, and mass murder; excludes war-dead. These are probable mid-estimates in low to high ranges. Figures may not sum due to round off.
Guerrilla period.
Vox Day, in The Irrational Atheist, lists 22 atheistic regimes that committed 153,368,610 murders in the 20th century alone:
Murders by Atheists (20th Century)

Country Dates Murders
Afghanistan 1978–1992 1,750,000
Albania 1944–1985 100,000
Angola 1975–2002 125,000
Bulgaria 1944–1989 222,000
China/PRC 1923–2007 76,702,000
Cuba 1959–1992 73,000
Czechoslovakia 1948–1968 65,000
Ethiopia 1974–1991 1,343,610
France 1793–1794 40,000
Greece 1946–1949 20,000
Hungary 1948–1989 27,000
Kampuchea/Cambodia 1973–1991 2,627,000
Laos 1975–2007 93,000
Mongolia 1926–2007 100,000
Mozambique 1975–1990 118,000
North Korea 1948–2007 3,163,000
Poland 1945–1948 1,607,000
Romania 1948–1987 438,000
Spain (Republic) 1936–1939 102,000
U.S.S.R. 1917–1987 61,911,000
Vietnam 1945–2007 1,670,000
Yugoslavia 1944–1980 1,072,000



Yes, "Christians" have committed atrocities against other religious and non-religious people. However, atheists have committed far more atrocities than all religious groups combined. Even so, the key factor in these atrocities has been totalitarian power, rather than religion, which has resulted in these hundreds of millions of murders. The Bible says that people are evil (and the statistics on this page support this claim), but that they can become transformed through the power of the Holy Spirit to live lives of love, joy and peace.

Originally posted by SRTkid86
reply to post by Conspiriology

---

im no christian but i know quite a few (my entire family just about)

and your condescending attitude is not the way to go about trying to show that somehow your way of living is any better than mine.

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by justamomma

---

Ridiculous... I have every right and even a moral obligation to expose frauds and charlatans. Jesus went into the temple and violently overturned the tables of the con men... All I'm doing is challenging you for evidence. I do find it amusing that you think I have no right to use satire or refute lies because I am a Christian. You are really threatened by the idea it is true aren't you.

Who was Jesus rebuking when he went into the temple?? It wasn't everyday normal folks, those that you probably would laugh at as they are cast into hell...... it was ppl like you. Pious, self righteous hypocrites. PPL that used the normal folks who just wanted to live a good life... the ppl that used "sinners", degraded them, and mocked them.

I think you need to go to your room and beg for forgiveness from your saviour for using his name as a catalyst for your self righteous behaviour otherwise you might find yourself next to me in my handbasket (which is fully loaded w/ all the comforts you would probably deem reprobate).