Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates, page 149

New News*
Sarkozy heads to Russia on peace mission
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Originally posted by Rentor
New News*
Sarkozy heads to Russia on peace mission
uk.reuters.com...

Valiant effort, but this thing is going to run its course...and what I mean by that is, it will end badly:

ru.youtube.com...

reply to post by Rentor

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I'm not a pessimistbut IMO this whole thing has got way!!!!out of hand and i don't think that Sarkozy's visit to Moscow would change anything.But i think they will NEED a plan on what to do BEFORE the end of the Olympics.Guess just have to wait and see

The President of Georgia says it was Russia which picked a fight in South Ossetia.

TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili argues in an op-ed column in Monday's Wall Street Journal that Russia picked the fight with Georgia in South Ossetia to crush Georgia's pro-Western democracy.

Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili says Russia wants to extend its control over former Soviet states.

"The Kremlin designed this war," Saakashvili writes.

He also argues that the conflict is about "the future of freedom in Europe."

If Russia succeeds, Saakashvili says, it would mark the end of Western influence on any of the former Soviet republics.

www.cnn.com...

So we have here two totally polar opposite portrayals of this conflict from both Russia and Georgia. This can only complicate the already delicate and difficult diplomatic challenges ahead, if indeed diplomacy is even what either side really wants. It also underscores the media strategy by each side and how they contrast with one another. Russia is depicting the battle as a fight to defend its people in South Ossetia and to defend breakaway provinces from Georgian war crimes and aggression. Georgia casts the war as a clash between Russia and the west, with the future world order in the balance.

[edit on 8/12/2008 by AceWombat04]

(Rough translation via Yahoo):

The project of resolution on South Osetia was not pleased to Russia

The permanent representative of Russia in the United Nations Vitalius [Churkin] stated to journalists that Russia not signs the prepared by France resolution on the conflict in South Osetia, reports France Of presse.

(Lenta.ru)

August 12 - Continued offensives

Vitaly Churkin, Russian representative at the United Nations declared to journalists that Russia would not accept the resolution on South Ossetia as prepared by France.

(2008 South Ossetia war)

Italy ready for Ossetia response

(ANSA) - Rome, August 11 - Italy is ready to send troops to South Ossetia if the European Union decides to intervene in the conflict between Georgia and Russia, Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said Monday.

The minister said he would consider deploying Italian soldiers to the region in the event that French Foreign Minsiter Bernard Kouchner recommends EU involvement after his mediation mission to Tbilisi and Moscow this week.

(ANSA.it)

[edit on 12-8-2008 by chips]

reply to post by AceWombat04

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Well, the facts speak for themselves. Georgia shelled the bejeezus out of Tshinvale. That wasn't Russia starting the military assault, that was Georgia.


The Georgian president has lost his mind... and I'm not joking about that, read on...

Apparently, he's been staging TV broadcasts, claiming to have joined NATO and the European Union.
I thought these were just rumors at first...

Video

Skip to near the end of the video, it's very brief, but there he is, and he's declaring a union with NATO, standing amidst EU flags.



NATO certainly hasn't agreed to this.

[edit on 12-8-2008 by johnsky]

Originally posted by johnsky
reply to post by AceWombat04

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Well, the facts speak for themselves. Georgia shelled the bejeezus out of Tshinvale. That wasn't Russia starting the military assault, that was Georgia.


The Georgian president has lost his mind... and I'm not joking about that, read on...

Apparently, he's been staging TV broadcasts, claiming to have joined NATO and the European Union.
I thought these were just rumors at first...

Video

Skip to near the end of the video, it's very brief, but there he is, and he's declaring a union with NATO, standing amidst EU flags.



NATO certainly hasn't agreed to this.

[edit on 12-8-2008 by johnsky]

That is not the flag of European Union, that is the flag of the European Council. They are virtually the same looking.

reply to post by asen_y2k

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What Italy might get involved That's good then bad at the same time.I bet EU will let Italy send them in

reply to post by asen_y2k

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Ah, easy mistake.

Either way, he's still declaring a union with NATO.

Like I said, I thought they were rumors at first... but yeah, he really has gone off his rocker.

The video merely hints at the staged union, but presents the bid for union as a fact.
A bid for union with NATO? During this crisis?
He's delusional.

[edit on 12-8-2008 by johnsky]

Amidst all this, I feel a lull. People are still dying, and I am exhausted. This song came up while listening to my Windows' Media Library. I can image this is what people are experiencing over there. Arcade Fire's "Intervention", aptly titled, has amazing relevance now.

It look very bad for the Georgian President…claim that USA tolled him you on your own.
Link to the news.
www.reuters.com...
Miscalculation and overreaction from the later , as put his country in jeopardy.
What a mess!

Kacou.

SO Georgia will not surrender:

news.sky.com... 0808215075784?lpos=World%2BNews_0&lid=ARTICLE_15075784_Georgia%2527s%2BPresident%2BMikheil%2BSaakashvili%2BTells%2BSky%2BNews%2B%2527No%2BSurrender%25 27%2BTo%2BRussia%2BOver%2BSouth%2BOssetia

So it seems Russia was correct in their hard-push. A few hours ago it seemed like all they had to do was retreat/call the whole thing off.

reply to post by kacou

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From your source, not a direct response to you...

Charles Kupchan of the Council on Foreign Relations, agreed that U.S. encouragement may have made Saakashvili "miscalculate" and send Georgian troops into South Ossetia.

Miscalculate... man that's an understatement.

What Georgia has done is outright suicidal.

A miscalculation would be, "how many troops can I use before I meet resistance?", not, "I wonder if they'll do anything about me shelling a city to the ground?"

[edit on 12-8-2008 by johnsky]

reply to post by pluckynoonez

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skynews.com

fixed the link for you

Originally posted by johnsky

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Well, the facts speak for themselves. Georgia shelled the bejeezus out of Tshinvale. That wasn't Russia starting the military assault, that was Georgia.

The Georgian president has lost his mind... and I'm not joking about that, read on...

Apparently, he's been staging TV broadcasts, claiming to have joined NATO and the European Union.
I thought these were just rumors at first...

Video

Skip to near the end of the video, it's very brief, but there he is, and he's declaring a union with NATO, standing amidst EU flags.

WTF are you talking about? Nowhere in the video is it said that Shakasvili has stated ANYTHING like that. It is YOU who is a nutcase if you fall for the propaganda that the russian government is throwing out.

Your 'facts' are nothing but disinformation. Yes, Georgia attacked S-Ossetia, but only after the russian backed separatists kept heavily attacking Georgian territory even though Georgia had initiated a ceasefire.

So very typical of the russian propaganda machine to tell only half the truth - you cannot really deny it because thats what happened - but you are really telling the truth either.

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