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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:14 AM by TKainZero
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Nice video...
Both are great...
Russia bombing UK reporters...
Georgian president acting super paranoid....
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:16 AM by Rentor
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:22 AM by pluckynoonez
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Originally posted by Rentor
New News*
Sarkozy heads to Russia on peace mission
uk.reuters.com...
Valiant effort, but this thing is going to run its course...and what I mean by that is, it will end badly:
ru.youtube.com...
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:23 AM by johnsky
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Ah... there's what was happening in that second video!
They had the Georgian president with them, and dragged him off to cover when they thought a Russian aircraft might have been approaching.
Wow, with the western media doing a total pro-Georgia slant... I was surprised to hear the commentator actually mention the Georgian decision to level
Tshinvale.
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:25 AM by rixhell
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I'm not a pessimist  but IMO this whole thing has got way!!!!out of hand and i don't think that Sarkozy's visit to Moscow would change anything.But
i think they will NEED a plan on what to do BEFORE the end of the Olympics.Guess just have to wait and see
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:32 AM by AceWombat04
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The President of Georgia says it was Russia which picked a fight in South Ossetia.
TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili argues in an op-ed column in Monday's Wall Street Journal that Russia picked the
fight with Georgia in South Ossetia to crush Georgia's pro-Western democracy.
Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili says Russia wants to extend its control over former Soviet states.
"The Kremlin designed this war," Saakashvili writes.
He also argues that the conflict is about "the future of freedom in Europe."
If Russia succeeds, Saakashvili says, it would mark the end of Western influence on any of the former Soviet republics.
www.cnn.com...
So we have here two totally polar opposite portrayals of this conflict from both Russia and Georgia. This can only complicate the already delicate and
difficult diplomatic challenges ahead, if indeed diplomacy is even what either side really wants. It also underscores the media strategy by each side
and how they contrast with one another. Russia is depicting the battle as a fight to defend its people in South Ossetia and to defend breakaway
provinces from Georgian war crimes and aggression. Georgia casts the war as a clash between Russia and the west, with the future world order in the
balance.
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:33 AM by mopusvindictus
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When did synchronized land and air attacks become an olympic event anyway...
sorry  it's how I get through this kind of stuff with my sanity
and in other News the American Heritage Reports:
The U.S. and its European allies should communicate to Moscow that Russia has much to lose--including hosting the 2014 winter Olympics in the Black
Sea resort of Sochi
I think I can hear the tanks stop rolling instantly from that sharp and savy threat!
Lol... is this what we have on the bargaining table?
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:36 AM by chips
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(Rough translation via Yahoo):
The project of resolution on South Osetia was not pleased to Russia
The permanent representative of Russia in the United Nations Vitalius [Churkin] stated to journalists that Russia not signs the prepared by France
resolution on the conflict in South Osetia, reports France Of presse.
( Lenta.ru)
August 12 - Continued offensives
Vitaly Churkin, Russian representative at the United Nations declared to journalists that Russia would not accept the resolution on South Ossetia
as prepared by France.
( 2008 South Ossetia war)
Italy ready for Ossetia response
(ANSA) - Rome, August 11 - Italy is ready to send troops to South Ossetia if the European Union decides to intervene in the conflict between
Georgia and Russia, Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said Monday.
The minister said he would consider deploying Italian soldiers to the region in the event that French Foreign Minsiter Bernard Kouchner recommends EU
involvement after his mediation mission to Tbilisi and Moscow this week.
( ANSA.it)
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:42 AM by johnsky
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Well, the facts speak for themselves. Georgia shelled the bejeezus out of Tshinvale. That wasn't Russia starting the military assault, that was
Georgia.
The Georgian president has lost his mind... and I'm not joking about that, read on...
Apparently, he's been staging TV broadcasts, claiming to have joined NATO and the European Union.
I thought these were just rumors at first...
Video
Skip to near the end of the video, it's very brief, but there he is, and he's declaring a union with NATO, standing amidst EU flags.
NATO certainly hasn't agreed to this.
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:46 AM by asen_y2k
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Originally posted by johnsky
reply to post by AceWombat04
Well, the facts speak for themselves. Georgia shelled the bejeezus out of Tshinvale. That wasn't Russia starting the military assault, that was
Georgia.
The Georgian president has lost his mind... and I'm not joking about that, read on...
Apparently, he's been staging TV broadcasts, claiming to have joined NATO and the European Union.
I thought these were just rumors at first...
Video
Skip to near the end of the video, it's very brief, but there he is, and he's declaring a union with NATO, standing amidst EU flags.
NATO certainly hasn't agreed to this.
[edit on 12-8-2008 by johnsky]
That is not the flag of European Union, that is the flag of the European Council. They are virtually the same looking.
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:47 AM by Rentor
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What Italy might get involved  That's good then bad at the same time.I bet EU will let Italy send them in
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:48 AM by johnsky
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Ah, easy mistake.
Either way, he's still declaring a union with NATO.
Like I said, I thought they were rumors at first... but yeah, he really has gone off his rocker.
The video merely hints at the staged union, but presents the bid for union as a fact.
A bid for union with NATO? During this crisis?
He's delusional.
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 01:55 AM by pluckynoonez
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Amidst all this, I feel a lull. People are still dying, and I am exhausted. This song came up while listening to my Windows' Media Library. I can
image this is what people are experiencing over there. Arcade Fire's "Intervention", aptly titled, has amazing relevance now.
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 02:00 AM by chips
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SKY TV/REUTERS - BREAKING: Eyewitness reports air bombs hit Georgian town of Gori - civilians injured.
More soon.
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 02:02 AM by kacou
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It look very bad for the Georgian President…claim that USA tolled him you on your own.
Link to the news.
www.reuters.com...
Miscalculation and overreaction from the later , as put his country in jeopardy.
What a mess!
Kacou.
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 02:03 AM by pluckynoonez
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SO Georgia will not surrender:
news.sky.com...
0808215075784?lpos=World%2BNews_0&lid=ARTICLE_15075784_Georgia%2527s%2BPresident%2BMikheil%2BSaakashvili%2BTells%2BSky%2BNews%2B%2527No%2BSurrender%25
27%2BTo%2BRussia%2BOver%2BSouth%2BOssetia
So it seems Russia was correct in their hard-push. A few hours ago it seemed like all they had to do was retreat/call the whole thing off.
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 02:04 AM by Vitchilo
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Either way, he's still declaring a union with NATO.
In the video, he doesn' talk about it, and there's no NATO flag... so ? He said earlier that if he was a NATO state, he wouldn't have been
attacked... but I didn't heard anything else.
But NATO will probably put pression on Russia if it continues, by accepting Ukraine in NATO right now.
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 02:09 AM by johnsky
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From your source, not a direct response to you...
Charles Kupchan of the Council on Foreign Relations, agreed that U.S. encouragement may have made Saakashvili "miscalculate" and send Georgian
troops into South Ossetia.
Miscalculate... man that's an understatement.
What Georgia has done is outright suicidal.
A miscalculation would be, "how many troops can I use before I meet resistance?", not, "I wonder if they'll do anything about me shelling a city
to the ground?"
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 02:11 AM by Harlequin
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reply posted on 12-8-2008 @ 02:14 AM by Alphard
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Originally posted by johnsky
Well, the facts speak for themselves. Georgia shelled the bejeezus out of Tshinvale. That wasn't Russia starting the military assault, that was
Georgia.
The Georgian president has lost his mind... and I'm not joking about that, read on...
Apparently, he's been staging TV broadcasts, claiming to have joined NATO and the European Union.
I thought these were just rumors at first...
Video
Skip to near the end of the video, it's very brief, but there he is, and he's declaring a union with NATO, standing amidst EU flags.
WTF are you talking about? Nowhere in the video is it said that Shakasvili has stated ANYTHING like that. It is YOU who is a nutcase if you fall for
the propaganda that the russian government is throwing out.
Your 'facts' are nothing but disinformation. Yes, Georgia attacked S-Ossetia, but only after the russian backed separatists kept heavily attacking
Georgian territory even though Georgia had initiated a ceasefire.
So very typical of the russian propaganda machine to tell only half the truth - you cannot really deny it because thats what happened - but you are
really telling the truth either.
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