SKY News Live audio feed: UN has received confirmation that Russia has advanced outside of the conflict zone in S. Ossetia.

I realize this has been said before, but now the UN knows it, and has acknowledged it.

Very possible. Wouldn't surprise me.

But back when it happened no one except for Russia said anything. U.S. was quiet as a stump. So were all the peaceniks in Europe.



The current rumor that Russians are invading could prove to be much more lethal to world peace and stability however - than the proposed rumor that Tskhinvalli was not the main target.

It could drag in many Western sides, to make it a true proxy war.

So far Georgians officially stated that less than 100 of their civilians are dead. About 200 military are dead. They have no reason to underestimate these.

So you are telling me the bear is invading and this is it? Less than 300 people dead? U.S. killed more in an invasion of Iraq during the first minutes of its full blown assault.

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Maloy i must interject after reading a coupel of your posts .

Here in the U.K we have very much been seeing on BBC News That Georgia started it , russia came into S. Ossetia retook it then attacked other targets outside creating a buffer zone and then leaving these areas.

the truth is leaking out.

We had the Georgian foreign minister live on a program called 'Hard Talk' (tonight 4 hrs ago)and our host was constantly asking him 'do you think you have made a catastrophic and massive startegic error' constantly .. he almost hounded the poor guy as the sounds of planes could be heard on the audio.



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maloy, I think we know the answer to that question.

I appreciate your vigilance in reporting info from your part of the world. In watching American media [CNN, NBC, etc.], it is very obvious that our MSM is "reporting" the "news" with a pro-Georgia slant.

Where is the situation news & updates?it's becoming opinions ideas and fantasies

So far we factually know only this about Russian operations outside S. Ossetia:

There was shelling and firing in Gori, after civilians evacuated. Reporters from Reuters said the city is empty now though. No one has seen Russian armor after that.

A police building was taken over by Russians in Zagdidi, near the border.

A number of Russian troops entered Senaki and stopped at a military base. After destroying some equipment there they left.

No confirmed reports on any massive concentrations of Russian troops outside S. Ossetia.



Hell of an invasion. They'll be rolling over Washington any hour now with this progress. With an entire contingent of 10 tanks. Put your helmets on.

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I can't let that go. Even yesterday the BBC was speaking of 1,800 to 2,000 dead as a result of Russian bombing raids and shelling in civilian areas (i.e. apartment blocks, road traffic (including the civilian vehicle being used by a BBC reporter, with the event on film, etc.)

(Here is the video sequence: news.bbc.co.uk... )

If anyone is swallowing propaganda, you appear to be a major participant.


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Ah yes the plane shot up some reporters in the conflict zone. Have you seen the unmarked Chevy Silveradoes being used by Georgian troops in the conflict zone? I have on several photographs of the conflict. The reporters weren't driving a Chevy were they?

And after type of biased reporting, I'd shoot up some reporters to for not doing their job.

Reporters have been in the crossfire in virtually every single conflict to date, by each side. There were injured Russian reporters on the Zarskaya road as well - attacked by a Georgian jet (no footage, but they were interviewed in a hospital on Russian Channel One).

And how does that prove about targeted civilians. Link about the numbers you posted? I haven't seen that anywhere. Perhaps they are piling up all the dead into one pile - including S. Ossetians. Sounds like it. Pay careful attention to the wording.






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here's the AP release on the UN confirming Russian advances into Georgia:



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[edit on 8/11/2008 by JacKatMtn]

Breaking on sky news 3:09am ( G.M.T)





SKY NEWS LINK

This guys is digging a hole for himself after being the initial aggresor imho, strings pulled by bush or not

Whoever says that this was calming down have been a bit off the mark.

Abkhaz forces launch offensive in Kodori

www.alertnet.org...

Georgia wants U.N. peacekeepers to halt conflict

www.alertnet.org...

Yeah, good luck with that guys, the UN can't screw in a lightbulb, and they'd definitely have wet feet with sending in peacekeepers.

We are so frightful that we won't know the truth, I tell you from the size of things with every post, the truth will be told. Russia has the right to prove their invocation and attack was a lifesaving mission for their people, and if they do prove it we all should be happy that they used their manpower directly to stop something horrible from continuing. Maybe the true sign of a Democratic government trying to keep it's citizens safe. The Georgians have a right to try and prove their case as well. We all have to wait for the truth, because right now no one is going to be able to sort things out in the middle of all this shooting and political hoopla.
I am not going to interject my opinion at this point , because that would take a fact finding mission, bi-partisan in nature to read this into the history books one way or another. I feel sorry for our planet at this time, we have so much technology that is never going to get used, we all have spent trillions of dollars based on the fear that our worldly neighbor wants our land, or wants to enslave us, that we literally cheated ourselves out of friendship and time wasted on solving the real issues our planet faces. which all are valid wonderful projects in energy and saving our planets air, oceans, humanity, and plant life.
I believe that in a couple days we will read an intelligent answer to this problem will be identified and put into effect, and maybe just maybe, the red phone can once again be used for good in this world that is fastly falling apart day to day from neglect.
somethings are certain in this world, one is that our children need to be able to survive in it, without always warring with one another, and maybe just maybe in a ecologically safe environment.
This is my belief, and I pray for solutions to evolve us in this way. If I have gone off topic with this post I apologize but I just want people to realize there are alternatives to pain and suffering, and alternatives to conflict, its called sharing, honesty, and disclosure.

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That's been reported like 1000 times.Question,do you happen to read the thread at allBut anyways thank you for trying

An open letter to GW Bush:

Mr Bush, I am an employee of your defense industry, I believe in what I do and I am proud of the small role I play in defense of this country and it's allies.

Although I am not an expert in International Relations, I do have friends in the aerospace industry in the US, France, the UK and Russia.
Just because the Republic of Georgia provided 2,000 troops for your occupation of Iraq, does not mean that you need to start World War 3 with Russia over Russia's invasion of the Republic of Georgia.

The Republic of Georgia started this ill advised campaign of attacking Southern Ossetia, it was a plan of reclaimation and genocide. To back up Georgia in this is simply to take the wrong side. Period.

IF you knew about this foray before hand, you should have warned the poor idiots running the Republic of Georgia in Tblisi to not even go there. Dont attack Southern Ossenta.

And now you are complaining about Russia doing what Russia does; crushing opposition with indiscriminate, collateral damaging, massive, overkill force - thats what they do. Dogs bark, cats meow, rats love cheese and the Russia military brutally kicks ass and does not care about the political consequences.

The world is not a corporation, you cannot do hostile takeovers by proxy and expect the other big boys on the block not to retaliate. This is not a game - it is the life of your constituents. The existence of your nation.

Face it Georgie...
Georgia "F"ed up, it's not your place to support imbeciles who thought you'd back them up in an attempt to commit genocide just because they provided a measly 2,000 troops for Iraq.
Sure, talk tough all you want to but be sure to make nice with Putin afterwards so he will let you attack Iran without repercussions next month.
;-)

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Those were the figures given in TV news reports, so I cannot refer to a document.

As to my suggestion you are a major participant, I meant in swallowing propaganda, not creating it.

At the end of the day all we are all interested in is getting the real facts. As I said, I monitor Russian news channels as well as Western ones. By simply repeating the Russian angle you are not likely to help us get to the heart of the matter, any more than if we were to regard every Western broadcast as gospel.

Hello everyone,

This is one of my first posts on this website and have been reading up on the Russia/Georgia threads. I have noticed that CNN/Fox/MSNBC are implying that Georgia began shelling S. Ossetia to quell "S. Ossetia rebels." This is implying that S. Ossetia had people that were terrorizing Georgia.

Is this true? For those that are more in tune with this region, did S. Ossetia harbor a rebel force causing trouble for Georgia?

Ossetia is legally Georiga's so they wanted it back before Russian-backed separatists tried to extend the region further.

This was all planned months in advance, Georiga took the bait and now Russia is using it as a false pretext for invasion. Putin is behind it.

Guess who else did exactly the same thing in the past, under the exact same false pretext? Hitler did, and that's what started WWII. Hitler claimed he was defending Czech citizens that were essentially Germanized. He orchestarted the "provication by proxy".

These things just don't happen out of the clear Blue sky. There are roots to the whole situation going back to the early 1990s.

Russia also did not want Georgia joining NATO and is sending a message to Ukraine.



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Hi.

Here's an article from three years ago about the activities of South Ossetian militias:

www.eurasianet.org...

And here's a good general guide:

news.bbc.co.uk...

The first article reveals that the Georgian government has been heavy-handed at times in its attempts to deal with the separatists. But the separatists have been involved in violent conflict for a considerable length of time.

No matter how unfavorably this Russian action is viewed, the "peaceniks" will not protest Russia. Becasue the fact is neither Russia nor Russians are dumb eough to care about euro-lefty protests. Only America and Americans shackle themselves by bothering to listen to the impotent bleatings of the "peace" movements.

Thanks for the info guys.