War in Georgia, page 8
Pages: <<  5    6    7    8    9    10    11  >>
ATS Members have flagged this thread 62 times


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 04:46 PM by maloy
LATEST UPDATE FROM RUSSIAN AND PRO-S.OSSETIA SOURCES:

-Keep in mind - these sources add their own spin. I am not going to say they present everything fairly. However the only journalists in the conflict zone with the exception of a few from BBC and Reuters, are Russian.


RIA News

ITAR TASS

Rosbalt News (in Russian only and somewhat nationalistic)

Journalistic Bureau of South Ossetia Government (separatists' spin)



ITAR TASS reports 12 dead and over 50 wounded Russian troops. If that total includes the ten peacekeepers killed by artillery fire yesterday it would mean that only 2 Russian soldiers die during today's fighting. This may mean that the fighting is not as fierce as innitially reported, or that Georgian troops are avoiding engagement with Russians and instead are focusing on attacking the separatist forces. Either way I suspect this innitial casualty figure is underestimated and will go up quickly once the Russian peacekeepers move into Tskhinvali and south and East of the city where the Georgian forces are massed.


RIA News reports that Russia cut off all transportation (including air) links to Georgia. Meanwhile a stead stream of refugees from South Ossetia are still entering Russia. It is reported that some thousands of refugees are still unable to get out due to Georgian shelling and heavy fire, and there are unconfirmed reports of refugees in several villages being attacked outright.

There is alot of confusion of where exactly the majority of Georgian forces are. Innitially today there were reports of Georgians retreating, but now the fighting has intensified again in the evening which may mean they are trying to hold their ground near Tskhinvalli.

Besides the contingent of Russian armor that entered the conflict zone in the afternoon, there was no reported large border crossings by the Russian army. However the airforce is intensifying its efforts. Also there is no word if Abkhazian division which supposedly left to aid S. Ossetia has arrived yet.

UN has reached no conlusion (surprise surprise) and is continuing to preside on the issue. No progress in UN talks is expected by either side, at least for the next day.

Reports of ethnical cleansing by Georgian troops are still unconfirmed, but there is vague footage of many dead civilians in several smaller isolated towns to the north and east of Tskhinvali. It is unkown whether this is due to Georgian artillery or infiltration by Georgian ground forces.

Georgian forces have left Tskhinvalli, and except for refugees and wounded the city is empty and large destroyed. Dead civilians are seen on the streets. Russian troops and humanitarian aid is expected to enter the city this night, as long as there is no artillery attack from Georgia.

Unconfirmed and seemingly false reports by Georgia of hundreds of dead after Russian air strikes against military targets around Tbilisi and south of S.Ossetia. There is footage of some lightly injured Georgian troops in the hospital, but so far that's it.

Similarly seeming false reports are coming from the separatists saying thousands are dead from Georgian attacks. Most likely numbers are put at hundreds of civilians and hundreds of S. Ossetia militia. However nothing can be confirmed untill the fighting subsides and reporters and peacekeepers are able to assess the area. Georgian attacks appear to be quick hit-and-run strikes, likely to avoid retaliation from the Russian airforce and local militia.

President Medvedev confirmed that humanitarian aid is being dispatched to South Ossetia and refugees in North Ossetia. Medvedev also declared that he wants justice served to those responsible for killing 10 Russian peacekeepers when Georgia began artillery fire 24 hours ago. this likely means that Russia will seek to bring Saakashvilli to international justice for these criminal acts, and will break off all communication and negotiation with his government.


Georgia has practically declared war, short of an official declaration. Russia so far has not hinted that it intends to declare war, and likely will not declare war since its efforts are confined at securing South Ossetia. Saakashvilli has declared national mobilization, yet little is happening on Georgia's side and Tbilisi is relatively quiet. There are reports that political opposition is preparing mass protests and calls for Saakashvilli to immediately relinquish power and step down, and possibly leave the country. This could place Georgia on the brink of Civil war and yet another coup.


U.S. calls for a stop to war, likely forgeting that it has its own two wars to attend to. U.S. is also quiet about the fact that Condoleezza Rice was the one who gave the go ahead for Georgia to attack a month ago. U.S. is pretending to be an outside peacekeeper.

Caucasus neighbors with similarly unstable potential conflicts - Armenia and Azerbaijan, are staying quiet. Abkhazia is fully mobilized and reports that it is ready to engage Georgian troops. However it appears that it will not open a second front and attack Georgia right now. Perhaps its actions are being coupled with Russian strategy.



reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 04:46 PM by infinite
reply to post by Terrapop



When did that happened?!

BBC: Georgian reporting that Russia has started to bomb "civilian targets" in Georgia.


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 04:50 PM by Fulcrum29
Originally posted by I3LiP
reply to
post by Fulcrum29



Georgia is effectively engaged in a civil war.

Russia effectively invaded a country.


There is quite a difference.


Civil War? That's funny how you put that. You claim it's civil war because Georgia rightfully controls Southern Ossetia right? Yet with that mind set I can claim RUSSIA is in a civil war because Russia rightfully controls/owns Georgia since Georgia was part of the Russian owned Soviet Union and broke away just like Southern Ossetia broke away from Georgia. See the hypocrisy of your statement?


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 04:52 PM by infinite
reply to post by TruthIsNeverTooHorrible



Is it possible not to bring the end times, the anti-Christ, Jesus and Co into this thread please?

This has nothing to do with religion.


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 04:55 PM by bruxfain
reply to post by Attari




Yeah Iran and Russia do have excellent relations. And is that supposed to mean that Iran wouldn't love to use Russia as a tool against the west? A blunt instrument. My scenario is consistent with everthing you see in the world. Only my assertion that Saakashvili and Ahmadinejad are somehow connected is suspect. What are Georgia and Irans public relations like?


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 04:56 PM by Oceanborn
reply to post by bruxfain



LOL Where do you get this stuff...?!

I'm sorry but yeah...


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 05:00 PM by infinite
reply to post by maloy



Thank you for confirming some of the air strikes in Georgia I was sceptical of claims that Russia would start targeting civilians - who a significant minority are pro-Russia.


reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 05:01 PM by bruxfain
reply to post by Fulcrum29



Deluded about what? Instead of me putting more on your plate at this time you should really go back and read your post and then my response.

As far as suicides and desertions however I will tell you this. It doesn't matter. If you knew anything about how war works you'd understand why so many people out on the battle field and back home would rather commit suicide than live another day. When you are older you'll understand that some people don't have any hope, no future, and are better off dead. Even if they got lucky enough to at one time in their lives call themselves American soldiers. But don't think for one minute that means anything to us. We'll always be here.


PS. [-snip-] Islam!!!

Mod Edit: Profanity/Circumvention Of Censors – Please Review This Link.

[edit on 8/8/2008 by Gools]
Pages: <<  5    6    7    8    9    10    11  >>    ^^TOP^^



Alaska: Samantha Koenig Kidnapped last week.
  Posted 4 days ago with 111 member flags
Blue Spheres Fall from the Sky in the UK
  Posted 17 days ago with 81 member flags
The Chinese have seen the dragon in the sky !!
  Posted 4 days ago with 70 member flags
Strange Sounds in Sky Explained by Scientists
  Posted 13 days ago with 60 member flags
She Dialed 911. The Cop Who Came to Help Raped Her.
  Posted 6 days ago with 49 member flags
Anonymous: Revealing The Arcane Legal Trick Behind ACTA
  Posted 13 days ago with 42 member flags
Anonymous reveals Haditha massacre emails | RT
  Posted 9 days ago with 33 member flags