War in Georgia, page 36

Originally posted by StellarX
reply to post by rogue1

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It wouldn't be the first time that such a thing happened but some evidence would go some way towards proving it.

Stellar

I read this is why Russia invaded Georgia, what do you think Stell?

1. judicial-inc.biz...

2. www.globalresearch.ca...

[edit on 12-8-2008 by Lambo Rider]

reply to post by maloy

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please watch this its 7years old, same people, same place & the same reason,,

uk.youtube.com...

the game was disined in the u.s. & so was the war

British Petroleum (BP) CEO and his "harassment" in Russia.
Claims he left Russia. Article Date: July 25th 2008
Who was the instigator for this war?
Timing is suspect.

BP CEO Leaves Russia; BP Warns Of Suit : July 25 2008

BP PLC (BP.LN) said Thursday that TNK-BP Ltd. Chief Executive Robert Dudley has temporarily left Russia, saying he was subjected to "harassment" by Russian authorities, prompting the oil giant to threaten legal action against its Russian partners.

The news is the latest escalation in the conflict between BP and its Russian partners Alfa-Access-Renova, or AAR, which each own half of the company. AAR has called for the dismissal of Dudley, saying he only represents BP's interests. Dudley's work visa wasn't renewed by Russian authorities, but he says his work contract is valid.

In a statement, BP Chief Executive Tony Hayward said the company "will use all means at its disposal, both inside and outside of Russia, to defend its interests and rights as a 50% shareholder in TNK-BP

Fire-damaged BTC oil line could have 5-week shutdown

The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) oil pipeline, damaged Aug. 6 by an explosion and fire, could be shut down for as long as 5 weeks, according to a spokesperson for Botas International Ltd. BIL operates the Turkish part of BTC, where the fire took place.

BP shuts two energy pipelines in Georgia Tue Aug 12, 12:05 PM ET

British energy giant BP said Tuesday that it has closed two more oil and gas pipelines in Georgia because of the ongoing conflict with Russia.
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"We have closed two other pipelines in Georgia -- Baku-Supsa and the South Caucasus pipeline, which is a gas pipeline," a BP spokesman told AFP.

The key Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline, which BP also operates, was shut last week after a blast occurred in a pump at a section in eastern Turkey.

Russia's armed forces on Tuesday denied deliberately targeting the strategic BTC conduit running through Georgia after Tbilisi claimed it had been attacked by the Russian air force.

"The oil pipeline was never a target that needed to be bombed," deputy chief of general staff Anatoly Nogovitsyn said in a televised press conference.

He did not explicitly rule out the possibility that the pipeline might have been hit accidentally.

BP was also looking into the claim. "We're not aware of any attack at all. We have no report at all of an attack," a spokeswoman told AFP earlier on Tuesday.

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[edit on 12-8-2008 by spacebot]

Originally posted by spacebot
Fire-damaged BTC oil line could have 5-week shutdown

The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) oil pipeline, damaged Aug. 6 by an explosion and fire, could be shut down for as long as 5 weeks, according to a spokesperson for Botas International Ltd. BIL operates the Turkish part of BTC, where the fire took place.

Could this be the reason Bush stated that this conflict started on Aug. 6th? Are we going to be presented with evidence that a Russian backed Southern Ossetia tried to blow up the pipeline and Georgia responded? But reports are that the blast took place in Turkey, so maybe that theory doesn't work so well.



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An interesting article on the glaringly hypocrital stance of the US admin with regard to Russia's actions in view of own notorious excursions over the years :

TUESDAY 12 AUGUST 2008
Neocons Now Love International Law

It's touching how American neoconservatives, who have no regard for international law when they want to invade some troublesome country, have developed a sudden reverence for national sovereignty.

Apparently, context is everything. So, the United States attacking Grenada or Nicaragua or Panama or Iraq or Serbia is justified even if the reasons sometimes don't hold water or don't hold up before the United Nations, The Hague or other institutions of international law.

However, when Russia attacks Georgia in a border dispute over Georgia's determination to throttle secession movements in two semi-autonomous regions, everyone must agree that Georgia's sovereignty is sacrosanct and Russia must be condemned.

U.S. newspapers, such as the New York Times, see nothing risible about publishing a statement from President George W. Bush declaring that "Georgia is a sovereign nation and its territorial integrity must be respected."

www.truthout.org...

Perhaps this subject and the seeming collusion of western media in an orchestration of fabrications, distortion, and lies across the whole spectrum of main news outlets would be worthy of it's own thread .

Not to much in the way of updates from Russian sources today.

Very surprisingly most Russian sources are talking not about the conflict, but about the West's accusation against Russia. And the weird thing - they are not denying them - but just reporting them.

The Russian news appear to be saying the same exact thing the West and Georgian news are, but from a slightly ironic view point.

I am just translating the headlines from Russian sources - the content you already heard on Western news:

Leaders of U.S. Congress Accuse Russia
lenta.ru...


McCain Promised to Accept Georgia into NATO
lenta.ru...


International Military Exercises in Which Russia Planned to Participate are to be Canceled by U.S.
www.echo.msk.ru...


The Hague International Court Accepted Georgia's Claims about Russia's Actions in Georgia
www.echo.msk.ru...
www.echo.msk.ru...

Massive Anti-Russian Protest in Tbilisi, with Leaders of Poland, Ukraine and the Baltics
www.echo.msk.ru...



I also seems like Russia is purposely avoiding talk about independence of S. Ossetia and Abkhazia. Even after what happened Russia is not seeking to make them independent. Russia likely realizes that the independence for the two breakaway zones, will mean nothing is holding Georgia back from joining NATO right away.

If Russia still allows Georgia some territorial claim there, it will be a minor disincentive for Georgia to proceed with NATO membership.

As I speculated when I started the War in Georgia thread on August 7th - this is turning out to be all about NATO's expansion around Russia. This will be the major news and development in the coming months.




And I will make a guess about who is next right now - AZERBAIJAN. Carefully watch Azerbaijan in the coming months and years, and its own breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh, Suddenly NATO will start negotiating there too - and suddently Nagorno-Karabakh will be on the world's front page news.

Azerbaijan is where the oil pipeline that runs through Georgia originates. As I speculated on ATS as long as a year ago - a quiet battle between U.S. and Russia for political control over Azerbaijan is being waged - parallel to Georgia's. U.S. is leading, as it has the support of the country's dictator (yes - not President).

The Caucasus fire may have been put out once again, but be sure - someone is still putting lighting fluid all over the region. Caucasus will ignite in again, much sooner than we will forget the war in South Ossetia. While the oil flows and NATO makes its plans, you will see blood in the Caspian geo-political region.

You know who to thank for that.

reply to post by princeofpeace

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You are correct - Russia feels more politically close to Europe than to U.S., and is rather willing to negotiate through Europe. That is not to say Russia or Medvedev likes Sarkozy much. Russian relations with Chirac were much better, and Sarkozy is more conservative in leaning towards the U.S.

That said - closest nations to be considered Russian allies in Europe are Germany and France - in that order. I can see Russia now trying to develop better ties with them, while gradually starting to ignore the U.S.


As isolated as the South Ossetian war was, it looks like it has bagan a process of restructuring of Russian priorities and partnerships. Russia will start to lean further from the G8 and other US-led clubs, and closer to individual nations who want to parter with Russia to insure uninterrupted access to Russian energy resources.

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