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Whats the fuss about 2012?

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posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 11:36 PM
what happened on dec 31st? i looked it up but couldnt find anything

posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 11:39 PM
reply to post by shauny

I've seen people rush off to pass 2012 off as a fake and they rush to all the crazies talking crazy crap and use that as "proof" to themselves that there is nothing to the 2012 phenomenon.

In the end, people are going to see or not see what they are ready to see or miss. It really doesn't matter.

However to those willing to not rush and do a little digging it's easy to see their is something to this. In fact there's some major "things" to this one.

As I keep saying, this has happened before, there's scientific evidence all across the world to prove it. The dates are good. Much of the 2012 phenomenon is backed up by "hard evidence" scientifically speaking. Ad to that the historic data and the picture becomes clearer. If you're willing to look and accept all the prophetic statements, then what will happen, it becomes painfully clear.

Again, worry (fear) will do you no good. Time to rise above all that.

posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Immortal_Roses
what happened on dec 31st? i looked it up but couldnt find anything

People partied like it was 1999. Prince was washed up.

anyway "1999" was the Y2K scare. Nothing really happened. The person said that to show their research shows that the 2012 date is far more "real". However the expression was lacking in meaning as nothing really happened, observable to the world, on the Dec31 1999 date.

However Aug18 1999 was the full effect of the "great cross" aligenment of our solarsystems planets. This is understood to be a "doorway" in time. Had mankind picked a destiny before that date we'd not have to undergo the 2012 phenomenon so agressively. Unfortunally mankind did go belly up and face down on that one.

posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 11:48 PM
oooooooh thats a bad one on our part

posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Incarnated
reply to post by Immortal_Roses

"We" as in "mankind" will survive. The estimated global deathtoll rate is calculated somewhere between 80-92% of all people will not make it.

This has happened before. It is happening now. The signs are already in place. The pole shift has started, the governments are setting up for war.

It doesn't have to be like that, not at all, oh my. Denying our collective power is denying our value as a whole. Together we are much more powerful than the governments will ever accept, and they know it. The 'powers' are cowering with their tails between their legs for they know our true might. The systems that govern us are quickly deteriorating due to an exponential burst of awakening among the populace. There will not be wars or mass genocides, we are rising higher and higher from those primitive urges to annihilate each other.

We will see the vast beauty of creation.

We will turn our back at the thrill of destruction.

Truth, the grand will be shown, the personal exchanged. We will be closer than we ever thought possible.

We will weep and cry and weep until all our sorrows matter no more.

We will stand together at the end of it all, look at the grandness of creation, to finally be one with each other...

We shall see the mind of God.

We shall dip our toes into Creation...then swim in it.

posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 11:55 PM
wow that was one nice poem thing

posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 11:59 PM
reply to post by Moegli

then drown and die...

posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 11:59 PM
well im going to bed but keep posting cuz i will check in the morning and thanks for all the info and help you guys have given me
i really appreciate it

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 12:31 AM
it may be the dawning of aquarius

[edit on 8-8-2008 by Michael Pait]

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Michael Pait
it may be the dawning of aquarius

It's more then that, but that is part of it too. In the greater 26000ish year cycle there is 12 "ages". These can be thought of as months lasting 2150 years of the 26000ish year cycle. However as years go they have 12 months but they also have 4 seasons.

The 4 seasons of the "great year", 26000ish year cycle, are passing up through the gravitional plane, at the fartest peak away from the gravitional plane, passing down thought the gravitional plane, and at the lowest peak away from the gravitional plane.

It's the peaks that seem to be the dawning of the new "world" and the gravitional plane that seems to be the world distroyer.

This aligns with our understanding of recorded history. 13000 years ago, 1/2 a "great year" cycle, a.k.a. 10500 BCE, was the last great loss of civilation marked by the loss of the great civilizations in sumeria, egipt, etc, and half the half cycle is the recorded start again according to the mayans and jews, among others.

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 01:11 AM
reply to post by Skipper1975

thanks for sharing those videos!
they are on the right track! very clear and well presented, i liked them!

only we can make the change in ourselves, the end of the world is just sitting back waiting for things to happen!

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 01:47 AM
Our history is filled with "end dates" that have come to pass. From some author who appeared to have deciphered some ancient text to faulty technology.

But what makes 2012 unique is that the Mayan have set this in stone. Additionally, the Mayan had a more advanced calendar/time than current calendars to this day (scary). They also knew astrology pretty well and constructed monuments to reflect their knowledge.

What funny is that if 2012 comes to past, their is speculation of asteroids.
And end data seems to be planned every 15-20 years.

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Immortal_Roses
What is with 2012? whats going to happen thats supposedly so big? People just keep talking about it....they say its the end of the Mayan Calender so its the end of the it?

The best place to start on understanding 2012 issues is This is the best and most informed site on the net on 2012 issues.

You can do a google search on "2012" and come up with litterally thousands of sources.

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 02:05 AM
Basically the most often heard thing is that people will ascend to a higher level of being..

Maybe the religious end times people and the new agers are just describing the same thing with different terminology, but imo I think it will relate to occultists in powerful positions trying to draw down energy from heaven to earth because of a belief that they can physically "create" a physical heaven on this earth using their minds (see global consciousness project) and this brings happiness for all.

But it's also seen by the end times people that all kinds of bad stuff is going to happen. I believe they are both right.
The new agers will try to bring in the antichrist who will grant them powers and whatever they desire (including peace and stability and an end to war) to gain their trust, and then after a time when he unites the world into a one world religion (no room for pluralism in a one world order) with him as the king of the materialistic world, he will start to destroy everything using mind control of the people he has gained his trust in. The goal of the NWO is a global socialist government and a destruction of free will, so they must destroy all the old world religions to get you to join the new one.

This is where the new agers (mainly people who are psychics, channelers, mediums etc) may be used to kill off 2/3 of the human race. Prince Phillip, wants to depopulate the world and bring it into a new dark age.

These people imo are genocidal manics bent on destruction and bringing about sufferring. The new age are not at fault however. Just like brainwashed religious extremists using violence to solve things are not at fault because it's a very subtle form of mind control. (they can't help themselves since they don't know any better)

Read the above article for more info. This is just one opinion and it's mine. If I am wrong about this conspiracy to destroy the monotheistic religions of the world then so be it. But it's important in a open discussion to get more than one point of view.

Royal family, the oilmen, the rockerfellers, rothschilds etc are all into the idea of making a physical heaven on earth through man's own efforts, not through some savior. The idea of an antichrist is one that will act as a substitute for the actual messiah that the religions of the world expect to come and save them. The difference between these people and the rest of society is that one group believes you can tell god to bring heaven to earth and order him around like "using the force" in the original trilogy of starwars (occult magick powers like what hitler was into) and the other group thinks that God has a will of its own and you bend your knee to pray for salvation. (think of the concept that Qui Gon introduces in the prequel trilogy of star wars)

So occultists are the chaotic dark side of the force. (using magick for personal gain to give personal pleasure and escape from responsibility)

The old religions are the benevolent/rule-based good side of the force. (you put your faith in the force to guide your actions so god guides everything you do and not your own flesh, rather than using the force as a mere tool to get what you want)

One asks for help. The other orders that you "give it to me through my own power".

This is imo the difference between false peace created by man who thinks he can just transform himself into god, and humble peace where you must wait like a sheep to be guided. Just about every prophet of doom has been wrong and when they are they never admit it and change. This is a sign of a false prophet. If people (including the religious nutters) claim something is going to happen and "god said it would on X date", and then it is wrong, then you can assume they are one of the false prophets warned about. They will start coming out around the end times to claim they are the real deal.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by Snake Plisskin]

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 02:14 AM
IN my personal opinion which is based on no facts what so ever but on inside feeling - nothing will happen

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 02:30 AM
Already on this very forum you are seeing people relaxed with the idea of a depopulating the world and culling 2/3.

Whether this is a joke or not, do you not see the warning signs of eugenics that the nazis were involved in during WW II?

The idea that all life is a sacred thing from god is no longer a popular idea. What I'm saying is all this "ZOMG!!11 We must protect mother earth goddess Gaia for the sake of survival and sustaining the human race!!!11" nonsense was started by the elites branch that want to destroy your current system and make you worship the planet itself.

The new ager will never admit that the global socialist order is just the global version of a nazi government. Ok ok I will lay off now.

But to the 13 year old kid: do read up on both sides of the story before just believing it and make your own opinion. No one knows everything! And for those who say "prove it b!tch!" that's not my job. Perhaps right now you are making history through warning people so that you can avoid your catastrophic fate (the building of the NWO) and using your free will, start to make your reality by reacting to these events in real time!? In other words you can't predict something that is not set in stone. It is constantly changing randomly and events are purposely left open to chances of not happening because we are the X factor that can't be accurately predicted?

Just like apocalyptic movie "Terminator": "there is no fate but the fate you make for yourself. The future is NOT set!" All these prophets of doom want to do is scare the # out of you. Ok so maybe it's not avoidable, but maybe it can be slowed down at least. NWO that the conspiracy people alway talk about is something that is happening in front of our eyes and you are witnessing the event firsthand. Why not actually use the opportunity to learn instead of trying to escape reality through mind-numbing excersises to leave your body? At some point you've got to come back down to earth and can't stay out of your body forever. You can do something on the physical realm to affect change to help people.

Why do we have to have our brains linked together like the borg in star trek as a hive mind, (global socialism) when we can retain our individual character (freedom of choice) and live happily as people with souls of our own? (not be told we must worship gaia or else die to feed her energy from the death of our corpse) The planet is not a goddess, I don't want to worship it as one, and I think the global warming propaganda and deliberate destruction of food supplies and wars and famines is caused by the illuminati to treat humans like animals and control them.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by Snake Plisskin]

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 02:35 AM

Originally posted by Harman
reply to post by Immortal_Roses

If you look at the solarsystem itself and google 'solar system warming up' you will read here and there that the whole system is heating up at the moment. If you google 'solar storm warning 2012' you will read that we will have a sun in overdrive around that time and it is speculated it will be one of the more severe ones of the last several decades, this in combination with a speculated pole-shift around the same time could be potentially harmfull for us. ( )

Actually the solar system is only warming up based on the selective evidence presented on pro warming/anti human global warming sites.

If you look at ALL the "measurements" and assumptions the picture is somehwat different ie it is impossible to say one way or another. But hey let's not let reasoned analysis get in the way of biased head in the sand beliefs!

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 02:36 AM
Well, when I was young, in the 70s, they were talking about similar BS for 1999. Now they talk about 2012. With 2012 passing without any doom, what will be the next timeline? IMO, nothing but crap ...

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 03:28 AM
That's why I mentioned: if the psychics are so perfect how come they haven't attempted to predict the next week's lottery numbers and make themselves rich by using the powers?

Because I think personally god gave us souls and a free will to experience this life and it is made unpredictable on purpose. The NWO want to take your souls and your freedom for control purposes. It links up with the idea of reptillians and greys studying us because maybe they see us as unique creatures with creative energies and then suck us dry of it all like undead 'soul vampires'? If they knew what you think ahead of time, they can then steal your ideas and thoughts and creative energies and offer it to others. (microchip in the brain will read whatever info is coming from the godspot)
An example of this is in that mel gibson movie "what women want". In that the male was given powers to read women's minds and then he uses it to steal all her ideas and claim the credit for himself.

The human flesh is the evil animal part that brings us back down to the rank of animals. Your soul is the creative part that you use to produce unique thoughts and ideas. And it is that part of god that you are tapping into that gives you personality.

I don't like the idea of a "global one mind" and joining up together like voltron. I think the idea is to just rob you of individual thoughts for mind control purposes. Sort of like how the right wing is very "anti-art", where the lefties are very pro-art because they are creative, original, emotive etc.
To the materialistic NWO who want to control all of earth's resources and own all your ideas, you creatives types are dangerous. So they created a religion to give up your individual personality, which is to make everyone link up to a giant supercomputer which collects all your knowledge (just like in the matrix) and can feed you the knowledge they want you to have.

Once they can create an artificial version of the computer that predict events (see the movie "minority report" with Tom Cruise) they can then arrest you before you have a criminal intent without you physically having committed a crime. This is the ultimate mind control anti-terrorist device. Once computers can be implanted into the nervous system all your thoughts can be shared with everyone else networked to the system and recorded in a log. And then comes the organic 'wireless' version of this computer. The humans can communicate through to each other telepathically. But you have no secrets, no original thoughts of your own, and you serve the NWO which is global socialist government controlling and owning every part of your body and all ideas that come from it.

Instead of spying on you through cameras, they have direct link to your mind at all times and can if they want to, project negative thoughts into your head like pain, or distress, or sadness, or fear. As a kind of wireless weapon.
For those who think the greys are "just the evolved version of us in the future" this makes a lot of sense. The global consciousness project resulted in a race of beings that just couldn't think for themselves or act independently and they lost their souls. So they came back in time to study humans.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by Snake Plisskin]

[edit on 8-8-2008 by Snake Plisskin]

posted on Aug, 8 2008 @ 04:04 AM
We will enter the photon belt and the frequencies present in the area will affect everything in contact with them. When these frequencies saturate our planet and us we will actually ascend to the 4th dimension. It is proven fact that our frequency is changing and that the whole solar system is heating up and this is a side effect of the radiation of these higher frequencies. Also it is wroth noting that time has been speeding up as well. This is a proven fact too. The next age which is the age of aquarias will usher in a completely new paradigm where telepathy, psychokinesis, and other previously thought "super natural" phenomenon will be common place. Think of it as a completely new shift in our "concrete" theories about the nature of existence. Copernicus was once accused of Blasphemy because he postulated that the Earth actually orbited the Sun and not the other way around. He was right even though most intelligent minds of the time wrote his thesis off as heresy.

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