'God is punishing Canada'

I guess we'll find out now, won't we?

reply to post by Rook1545

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I have no idea if the laws have been updated but I did fine this

www.religioustolerance.org...



They should be able to bag them on both Incite and Promotion unless they loop hole it with clever use of language.

reply to post by Rook1545

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Untrue.
en.wikipedia.org...


They'll bust their chops for hate speech against gays. We have no such code in our law here as the Supreme Court has ruled that from a legislation standpoint, even hate speech is a protected right. (though I believe precident is there in this country to seek a civil ruling against someone for hate speech... though those cases frequently fail.)

What? Lesser free rights? He seriously thinks that?

Okay (sarcasm).


As for god punishing Canada... if giving us an abundance in natural resources, freedoms, respect and admiration from other nations, and a strong economy, is punishment... then hit me again... I want more of this punishment.

So one whack job snapped... this is punishing Canada? If anything, it's punishing Greyhound, not Canada.

So people might irrationally get a bad taste in their mouth for Greyhound... just means more business for Via.

[EDIT] As for the American right to promote hate and incite genocide, Canada did away with that, you see, your right to personal safety and freedom of movement trump anyones desire to promote your murder.

One would assume preventing race based murders might be in the interest of the American Judicial system... but, no-one ever said their system was sane.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by johnsky]

I don't think you can call it "lesser". It's different. I like the fact that we can do something about this maniac. He's smart if he stays away.

I guess you must be a new member or something.

But based on your responses it seems you have not been keeping up to date on current events.

What you pasted is not what are arousing these responses, reality is.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

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Come on man, have you not been watching what's been happening to the freedoms in the States? The systematic removal of them? It started with that damned Patriot Act and it's not stopping.

What have we lost up here in Canada?

I hope their church burns down.....on a Sunday.

I went to their website and sent some hate mail. How do people let this happen in their towns???
I would be there in 10 seconds if I EVER heard they were close to me.....

SO, this is an open invitation......

Fred Phelps, come on over to Seattle and we will show you what a real protest looks like(wto....).


Edit: T&C infraction removed.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by intrepid]

I hate these people. Honestly don't they have anything better to do? Where do they make their money? Come to Quebec, I'll tear them a new one...

Mitch

Freedom Of Speech & The Press

Freedom Of Speech & Expression

Looks like a lot has been written on the Canadian Human Rights Commission's carte blanche power up in Canada.

I think i'm catching the beheading fever, because I know exactly what id to to these "protestors", see this is why I hate religion. Because I haven't seen a bible that says when god is mad at the govt. He's going to call his people to behead the innocent ones..... But whatever. Of all the things they could protest they choose funerals.

I think Canada needs to look at who can cross the border because this bunch of morons are not wanted in Canada. Let them go to Iraq and protest, maybe somebody there can educate them with some lead. They realy have no feelings for this guys family or friends.

It's just like PETA, another brain dead bunch that tries to push their agenda at the cost of others feelings. I'm having a fat steak for dinner and am going to love it. PETA can kiss my......




www.edmontonsun.com...

Some people are just sick and need a good boot to the head.

For one, all of this has to do with people being caught inciting racism.
Of which I already covered, our right to individual safety trumps the right to racial hate speech.

One right trumps the other.

Also, I noticed your second article conflicts with the first.
The first clearly states he was acquitted.
The second states no-one has ever been acquitted.
Kind of a blatant contradiction.

Yes, the human rights group does come down hard on those inciting racism. But racism violates the Canadian right to individual safety, hence, the right to incite racism, has never been a right to begin with.

So I ask again, what have we lost?

Sure we don't have the right to incite racism, nor genocide... but those aren't rights to begin with, and are a clear intent to incite racial violence.

So, what have we lost?

reply to post by johnsky

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Well, if you think having your freedoms of the press, speech, and expression run through your government for approval is A-OK, then I guess everything is just great up there.

reply to post by johnsky

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I believe that you're wrong. Hate speech is just that, speech. When a government takes the extremely dramatic step that speech is a dangerous weapon, then legislates against it, suddenly the door has been kicked wide open to allow for other forms of speech to be outlawed and practitioners imprisoned for it. For example... Canada pulls some of the nonsense our government has done where the war on terror is concerned and people speak out against it... very easy for Canada to say "Hmm, your criticisms of our system pose a danger to public safety so you have violated the righst of other Canadians and will be punished." Down here in the US of A we haven't got any of those laws, YET... though some are very concerned that cornerstones which could lead into those laws being issued have been laid in place. The fact is, we're still a HUGE step away from that scenario here, whereas Canada is right at the doorstep with the law and precident for restriction of free speech already in place.

The fact that a man can parade around a city in America with a sign that says "God hates fags" may be very offensive to some and distastefull to most everyone... but it doesn't lead to anyone's safety being violated (except the guy parading around, I suppose). The same general attitude may foster violence, but now you've gone from legislating against speech to legislating against thoughts and we're staring down the barrel of George Orwell's worst nightmares.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. I am Canadian, so I know that my right to free speech is not lesser than an American EXCEPT for the hate thing. And no I am not a new member.



Again...I have no idea what you are trying to say here. I am not claiming that what I have said has any difference to anyone. I simply stated that as a Canadian, I am no less free to say what I want than an American is, as long as I don't infringe on anyone else's rights.

Knowing the reputation they have, and since it's now widely known they intend to picket the funeral, I doubt the WBC will be let across the border. We've barred people before, this should be no exception.

These two rappers were banned
www.outaroad.com...

People attempted to get 50 cent banned
www.bbc.co.uk...

Hell we even have a law barring some Sikh immigrants with common names
www.cbc.ca...




[edit on 7-8-2008 by ben420]

Kind of like how anything that goes on your TV or radio has be OK'd by the FCC? I am pretty sure your papers are the same way. Or does that not count?

reply to post by Rook1545

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The news is generally exempt from FCC regs.

The FCC is mostly concerned with profanity, not with the message, unlike the Canadian system which is censoring and prosecuting for the message. And the news media, which newspapers are a part of, have a lot more leeway as long as it is a key part of the story.