Actually it has been proved to many of us. To everyone else it would seem as you say. We know it for a fact but we can not transfer that knowledge to you.

It's not proof unless you can independently verify it. Just because you believe you have felt something or believe you have seen something does constitute proof any more than the guy doing LSD says he's seen a tyrannosaurus rex eating marshmallows at Dairy Queen. Just because he saw it does not make it true.

there are no Atheists .

Since it is impossible for a genuine Atheist to even exist, it starts to make me ponder if you exist at all? It is entirely possible that you are a fictional person invented by someone who does believe in God to test others faith. Since there is no realistic way you will ever be able to prove to me you exist or that you are an Atheist, why am I responding to this thread?

According to Webster's... Atheist means "The disbelief or denial of the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being. " All you have to do is believe that a god doesn't exist. And... guess what... you are an "atheist". Just because no one can prove a god doesn't exist does not mean that atheists don't exist.

As Alex said when the thread was started... you can't prove a god (any god... of any shape, size or texture) exists so stop trying. And just so you know... my definition of "God" is a concious entity that willfully created the universe.

And as a dictionary approved atheist... I do not believe a god exists. And... I will go so far as to say that my belief is so strong that I actively deny that a god exists (which further fits the dictionary's definition of atheist).

Lets see here. Where does that leave the two of us?

I know God exists, but there is no way for me to transfer that knowledge to you.

You posit that God does not exist, but you can not prove that to me.

So, why are we having this conversation?

One more thing to ponder - To say there is no God, is to say you know everything about the Universe and everything that exists within it. How could anyone claim that or know that? They could not. You can not.

WOW lol, Umm no you don't know he exists, you have really strong faith that he does but you don't know for sure. If you actually KNEW it shouldn't be a problem for you to prove his existance to me. really it's not a hard concept to grasp, it's simple, all you really need is a little bit of common sence.

I'm not saying there is definately no God, but where we are now in science, everything we know about the world, it all points to there bieng no God. That is the best possible conclusion so far, so thats what I am going with.

I'm just curious about why they should all stop trying?

because it is pointless... of all the years religion has been around, it has never provided solid proof for its claims. The only thing it has provided to this day and age is 1. WAR 2. Blind faith and 3. I cannot deny the good religion has done for people. Although, in this subject the bad greatly outweighs the good

Originally posted by dariousg

Actually, the OP has stated on a couple occassions where he 'believes' there is no God. Not that he KNOWS there is no God. He keeps alluding to the fact that he will continue to believe this until God shows himself.

That would define an Agnostic, not an Atheist. An Atheist, if they actually existed would know for a fact there is no God.

How be it OP, are you an Agnostic or an Atheist?

Originally posted by AlexG141989

WOW lol, Umm no you don't know he exists, you have really strong faith that he does but you don't know for sure. If you actually KNEW it shouldn't be a problem for you to prove his existance to me.

That is simply not factual. I can not prove to you that I once owned a five foot Iguana, but I did. I do know for sure God exists, but I can't prove that to you either.

You have made no attempt to prove to me God does not exist?

Again I ask, why are we having this conversation as there is no point to it?

That would define an Agnostic, not an Atheist.

Back to the dictionary...

An Agnostic is... a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

An atheist is... a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

An agnostic believes they don't know... and the will probably never know. An atheist believes there is no such thing as a god.

Originally posted by mimer

If a God created everything, who created him?
If the answer is "God has always been around", why is that more plausible than a big bang scenario?

it's not more plausible - or less plausible - I've never been able to understand why they have to be mutually exclusive

but - aren't they still discussing that one - that big bang thing?

or is that just for sure now?

However, he has kept a pretty closed mind to the various forms that people on this planet believe God exists in. He is stuck on the old white haired dude.

i keep referring to him as the old white haired dude because thats just the common perception people have of him. I know of the other forms but they are not as widespread as "the old white haired dude"

That is simply not factual. I can not prove to you that I once owned a five foot Iguana, but I did. I do know for sure God exists, but I can't prove that to you either.

You have made no attempt to prove to me God does not exist?

What is so hard to understand about this??? you knew the iguana existed because you saw it, you touched it, you played with it and ultimately you burried it. BUT You have NEVER had a first hand experience with god, I feel pretty safe to say that no one ever has. So automatically you cannot know for sure he exists. I am not going to explain that again lol

Originally posted by xylophobia
An atheist believes there is no such thing as a god.

That is an impossible thing for anyone to know for a fact. Atheism is a false concept. All Atheists are in fact Agnostics with an attitude

One does not see God unless he seeks. And seeking is a path of doing his will by honoring the teachings of Jesus Christ.

He wont be seen, or revealed unless he wishes to be seen. This much has been said.

Prove God?

How about prove your worthy of his revealing.

Does an oyster diver receive a pearl without diving ?

Does a man achieve the peak of a mountain without a journey?

The statement of no God is a short utterance from the lips of men.

The revelation of God comes upon seeking that which has many wanderings of a sincere heart.

Tell me I cant prove God and Ill say youve never searched.

Peace

Originally posted by AlexG141989
BUT You have NEVER had a first hand experience with god, I feel pretty safe to say that no one ever has.

I have. I can not prove it to you however.

Anyone can. You simply have to have a genuine desire and an open mind and ask. Many millions of us have had that experience. We can not prove it though. For most it takes a life shattering event for them to reach the point they can ask and be open to the answer.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by xylophobia
An atheist believes there is no such thing as a god.

That is an impossible thing for anyone to know for a fact. Atheism is a false concept. All Atheists are in fact Agnostics with an attitude

You do understand that by that logic... theism is equally a false concept... and Theists are just Agnostics with a god complex.

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Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by AlexG141989
BUT You have NEVER had a first hand experience with god, I feel pretty safe to say that no one ever has.

I have. I can not prove it to you however.

Anyone can. You simply have to have a genuine desire and an open mind and ask. Many millions of us have had that experience. We can not prove it though. For most it takes a life shattering event for them to reach the point they can ask and be open to the answer.

Oh... believe me... the desire was there... truly there... your god proved to me that he was a figment of my once wishful thinking. I have proof there is no god... but I can't prove it to you.

Originally posted by xylophobia

You do understand that by that logic... theism is equally a false concept... and Theists are just Agnostics with a god complex.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by xylophobia]

No the existence of God has been proved to me. An Agnostic does not know one way or the other and no matter the rhetoric of one claiming to be an Atheist, it has not been proved one way or the other to them either.

Hi all ..

Cool thread ..

I find it difficult to believe in god the way we are told
.. i think there are too many versions of religion too . .
i'd like to think i'm intelligent enough to make up my
own mind without having it thrown down my throat
.. even the money we spend speaks of god .. what
if you don't trust god, i mean people are being murdured
every day in the name of god aren't they??
Was the whole nation asked if they trusted in
god before they decided to print it on the money??
People say god is everywhere .. .where??
I don't see god .. i see beautiful things everyday,
i love the sunset, a clear night, a winters day, my
beautiful children .. i could go on .. to me this isn't god,
this is wonderful people and a beautiful planet.
I'm happy in my exsistance without religion or god.
If you take god out of the equation does that mean
there's nothing at all when you die .. . IMO no !!
I believe the soul still lives on when the body dies . .
the rest i like to ponder ..
just one slightly off topic question
for people who believe when the body dies . .thats it !!
lights out !! .. Do you think it really is "lights out"
as in everything well just goes dark ??

"each to their own "

Peace - Satellite1

A belief in god is the only form of psychosis that the psychiatric community doesn't have an effective treatment plan to cure.

I'm a great paraphraser so please don't expect exact quotes from me where the Bible is concerned. I once immersed myself in Bible study until I realized it had served its purpose and no amount of study had any more bearing on my Faith. A walk through the woods is more enlightening than endless days spent with my nose buried in text.

There is a scripture to the effect - Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. In studying the meanings of words before translation, I found that it actually stated something more like - Blessed are they who are so low they have no place to turn except to God. Only at that point is a person open to ask for that which they will receive.

There is another passage that states - It is easier for a Camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven. It in fact refers to a type of doorway that made it impossible for a Camel to pass without crawling through on their knees. It was a security feature to defend gated cities.

There are many types of wealth with one being that of possessing much knowledge. Science is a type of wealth and is in itself a religion or belief which requires faith in unproved theories. Most of science owes its foundation to faith just as does a belief in God. For a person of science it is even more difficult to crawl through the eye of a needle and requires that they be at an even lower point in their life before they can be open to accepting God.



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