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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 12:01 AM by Simplynoone

Sorry double posted

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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 12:04 AM by Simplynoone

One more question
When will yall stop with this mind madness ?
Not until your as insane as Einstein was who went insane because he was missing the most important missing link for his equation .And that is GOD the Creator.?

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 06:20 AM by Anonymous ATS

reply to post by dave420

no it is God himself that can and will prove his existance soon enough. If the bible is wrong and there is no God then people who believe are most to be pitied in the earth. If however, the bible is correct, then I would not want to be an atheist.

And I don't mean because of hell as the bible clearly states that when a man dies he is aquitted of his sin. There is no everlasting torment for unbelievers just non existance.

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 11:06 AM by dave420

reply to post by Chief O

Nope. No evidence for Jesus as anything more than the countless others alive at the time. I know you don't want to hear that, and I know you won't believe it, but that doesn't change facts.

Jesus didn't lay down his life for us - he's God, right? Heck, he came back to life, so that's hardly a sacrifice. It would be like me going without food for a day. You yourself said he will be forever, so what kind of a superficial sacrifice is that? Who is he trying to impress, anyway? His creations? How pointlessly pathetic and egotistical is that! What was he trying to prove? That an immortal being, assured in his immortality, knowing he will be resurrected (as he's God, after all), allows himself to go through the theatre of being "killed" to impress us? Pathetic. What a joker.

You can't answer how life came to be with any certainty. You have no evidence, apart from a bronze-age farmer's manual. That means you are just as ridiculous as you claim atheists to be. But somehow, in your religiously-warped notion of reality, that double-standard seems to pass you by, instead replaced with some sense of spiritual satisfaction. Science, however, doesn't take the easy route as you have done, instead strives to actually know, even if that means throwing everything already known away. You seem to cling to your beliefs like someone who needs them to survive. Your belief is your life preserver, in a sea of atheism. You don't want to face up to a universe without some supreme egotistical jerk ignoring your prayers. You're like an abused housewife who won't leave her husband. Truly sad.

Dear oh dear.

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 01:59 PM by TruthParadox

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
And I don't mean because of hell as the bible clearly states that when a man dies he is aquitted of his sin. There is no everlasting torment for unbelievers just non existance.

Now see I would have a lot less of a problem with Christianity if people believed that. The main problem I have with Christianity is that Christians don't even seem to mind that their best friend or someone they know will go to Hell. I've seen many Christians say "You're going to Hell", and say it as if they enjoyed it aswell. It's a sick world.

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 05:58 AM by Chief O

It is alarming that clowns such as TruthParadox can ridicule God Almighty. Such profanity is indicative of evil possession. He needs deliverance! As a clown his jokes are third rate. In debating his arguments are third rate. Nobody wants to taste your "spaghetti:" it is undercooked and infested with flies! Remember God does not need you. The Almighty gave us freedom of choice. You have chosen to reject Him. One day we will die and then you will come face to face with your stupidity. The truth is you cannot explain your existence. Atheism does not explain your existence. Atheism is synonymous with stupidity.
TruthParadox, Dave666/420 are you aware that the supernatural is a reality? It can be used for good or evil. There are many spiritualists who can conjure up the spirit of the dead. Do not ask me how they do this. I understand in many cases it is a process that is secretly handed through generations. This practice is still prevalent in Africa. Thus the spirit of ancestors can be called up to solve murder mysteries, land disputes etc.
I knew someone who had a troubling land dispute. He needed to find a document. He consulted a spiritualist. The latter was able to summon a line of spirits walking in procession. When the consulter saw his dead father he called out his name. The father now came and discussed with his son, imparting some vital information which now helped him resolve the land dispute. You stupid atheists should do some serious research into the supernatural. You will find it is as real as the end of your nose. You will have to travel to different countries to attain a balanced view. Of course you will meet some fakes but if you persist you will find the definite article. Christ's miracles are not even outstanding in terms of the supernatural. They were performed to prove the presence of God and not for show or effect. I really implore atheists to research on the supernatural because once certified as fact it will help them understand the miracles of Christ and realise that God is an obvious fact.
I leave the atheist with this caveat: no matter how advanced or sophisticated science may become it will NEVER be able to explain how matter came into existence.

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 06:41 AM by dave420

reply to post by Chief O

Thanks for calling all Atheists "stupid". Brilliant. If a mod sees that they might not be too happy.

No, I'm not aware the supernatural is a reality, as there is no evidence for it. If you want to run around believing in anything and everything you want to, regardless of evidence - go right ahead. I take solace in the fact that the people who drive human existence forward, who brought us up from the dark ages, didn't think like that. Next time you, or someone you love, needs medical attention - know that you are being hypocritical. The same thought processes that make your life-saving medical treatment effective are those that don't allow rational people to believe in god, be that your god, or Odin, or any other countless deities.

You seem to be the most gullible person I've seen on ATS in a while, and that is saying something. You speak of things that if you had any proof of, would make you a fortune. Doesn't your Christ tell you that you should get that money and give it to the poor? Either you are full of it, or you are going to hell. And that's using your own logic against you.

And you can't explain how matter came into existence, short of "god farted the universe". You can't back up your claims, so why should anyone believe you? You are the height of irrationality - you believe without evidence, and you condemn in the face of evidence. That is, well, weird.

Get out of that one.

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 08:10 AM by Chief O

Dave420/666 you have serious problems. You feel it is OK to state that God farted the world into existence but it is not OK to say that atheists are stupid. You constantly commit profanity and expect to be respected. You are a twisted soul. Furthermore you have not understood the rudiments of this conversation. Nature and supernature coexist. Medical science has always been encouraged by theists. Catholics have produced superb medical doctors.
All I asked you to do was make some research into the supernatural. It is clear that as far as the reality of life, you are still a baby: inconsistent and incontinent! This conversation is too advanced for you. Do not profane what you have not disproved with 100% certainty. It may cause you serious problems in the future.

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 08:37 AM by dave420

reply to post by Chief O

Clearly. There is no evidence of god, so saying he farted the universe into existence is just as probable as any other baseless assertion. There is evidence for atheists (I am one), and I'm not stupid. So clearly there is a difference. The fact you can't tell the difference is illustrative of your delusions.

I've researched the supernatural. There is no evidence for any of it. I don't have to disprove ANYTHING - those with the claims have to prove them - and that, my friend, is YOU. So, until you man up and prove whatever you claim to be true (supernatural jewish zombies, etc.), then I have nothing to do.

Otherwise I'll just ask you to disprove every single other deity out there. To keep it organised, start with Amun and finish up at Zeus. That should keep you busy for a few millennia. Then work on Santa Claus and the Easter bunny. Don't forget the tooth fairy.

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 10:38 AM by Anonymous ATS

Dave420/666 since you insist that God farted the world into existence, it follows that you are in fact a fart! This aptly describes your atheist standpoint: odious to the extreme. To put it bluntly YOU STINK! The remedy for your pitiful state is prayer. Profound and sincere prayer. Your atheist revolution will not succeed for it is based on lies. Unfortunately for you, many witnessed Jesus proving God. He didn't perform His miracles in His back garden! The apostles are real historical figures; not myths or fables. They defended what they saw until the day they died. If Jesus is not real then neither is Julius Caesar nor Alexander the Great! For it was eyewitnesses who talked and wrote about all of them. If you insist on continuing to swim in your atheist cesspool, that is your problem but I must warn you that the stench is becoming unbearable!

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 10:48 AM by dave420

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

So you're saying Jesus is real because some folks saw Jesus proving God? Where is your proof that those people are speaking the truth? Don't you see how your chain of authentication breaks down nearly 2,000 years ago?

Whether someone is a historical person or not does not instantly vouch for their alleged acts. By this 'logic', if I write a book now that says George W. Bush can shoot lasers out of his eyes, that means George W. Bush can shoot lasers out of his eyes, as GWB exists. Jesus might have been a real person, but that doesn't mean everything anyone has ever claimed of him is true. That makes no sense.

There is not an "atheist revolution", for logic is already the governing force of the world, regardless of what beliefs you hold dear. And logic demands no belief in God without evidence, and there is no evidence. You demand evidence that the medicine your doctor prescribes you works and won't kill you, but you dismiss logic when it gets in the way of feeling all warm and fuzzy. That is hypocrisy.

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 01:26 PM by OldThinker

"Forgive them...

they know not what they do..."

Signed, Jesus

= = =

OT says...Christian, read my signature...Skeptic, think about Romans 1:20 for your evidence.

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 02:27 PM by TruthParadox

Originally posted by Chief O
It is alarming that clowns such as TruthParadox can ridicule God Almighty. Such profanity is indicative of evil possession. He needs deliverance! As a clown his jokes are third rate. In debating his arguments are third rate. Nobody wants to taste your "spaghetti:" it is undercooked and infested with flies! Remember God does not need you. The Almighty gave us freedom of choice. You have chosen to reject Him. One day we will die and then you will come face to face with your stupidity.

You think I was being a clown? Funny that, because I was imitating you. I was pointing out that the way you see my Flying Spaghetti Monster is exactly how atheists see your God. You failed to see the point I was getting across, and instead insist on ignorance.

Originally posted by Chief O
The truth is you cannot explain your existence. Atheism does not explain your existence. Atheism is synonymous with stupidity.

Christianity doesn't explain our existence either. It simply says "God did it!". I could say the Flying Spaghetti Monster did it and be just as valid as you.

Originally posted by Chief O
TruthParadox, Dave666/420 are you aware that the supernatural is a reality? It can be used for good or evil. There are many spiritualists who can conjure up the spirit of the dead. Do not ask me how they do this. I understand in many cases it is a process that is secretly handed through generations. This practice is still prevalent in Africa. Thus the spirit of ancestors can be called up to solve murder mysteries, land disputes etc.
I knew someone who had a troubling land dispute. He needed to find a document. He consulted a spiritualist. The latter was able to summon a line of spirits walking in procession. When the consulter saw his dead father he called out his name. The father now came and discussed with his son, imparting some vital information which now helped him resolve the land dispute. You stupid atheists should do some serious research into the supernatural.

Oh look! More stories. The funny thing about stories is... THEY'RE STORIES. You have no evidence and it KILLS you inside to know this.

Originally posted by Chief O
I leave the atheist with this caveat: no matter how advanced or sophisticated science may become it will NEVER be able to explain how matter came into existence.

No matter how much faith you have or how many voices you hear, you will never be able to explain how matter came into existence. Nor will you be able to accept future discoveries because they will go against your God, and you simply can't stand for that now can you?

Originally posted by Chief O
Nobody wants to taste your "spaghetti:" it is undercooked and infested with flies!

I could make a sex joke with that, but it would only be "third rate", so I'd better not.

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 02:49 PM by TruthParadox

Originally posted by Chief O
Do not profane what you have not disproved with 100% certainty. It may cause you serious problems in the future.

Live by your own words, friend. You are as much of a hypocrite as Jesus Christ is.

Matthew 5:22 "Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire." [Jesus speaking]

Matthew 23:17 "Ye fools and blind." [Jesus speaking]

Hope that "hellfire" isn't to hot for you Jesus. Maybe you should have practiced what you preached when you had a chance. Oh well, eternity is a long time, maybe you will think long and hard about what you've done.

Oh that's right, biblical contradictions mean nothing to Christians. They rely on the scriptures so heavily, yet put no weight in the ones that contradict themselves. You are the epitome of blind. Believing what you want and shielding your precieous belief from anything that might disprove it.

Want some more contradictions?
www.ffrf.org...

Oh yah, Jesus never existed, it was a Roman conspiracy to keep the Jews in line after their battles.
www.caesarsmessiah.com...

The problem with Christianity is:
You can't even disprove the obvious contradictions of a deity. This should not be the first step.
With most religions, the score would be:
Religion: 0 (0 proof)
Science: 1

But with Christianity, the score is:
Christianity: -1 (not only do you not have proof, but you have contradictions)
Science: 1

You should only have to prove the existence of God, but you fail to realize that first you need to disprove such obvious contradictions. After you do so, then you will still have to prove God. Atheists need not prove anything, as these contradictions are in black and white. Does an omnipotent, all knowing, never changing God speak in contradictions? What's your excuse this time?

You believe that Atheists simply believe there is no god on a whim. I've done the research. I'd be willing to bet I know more about the Bible and about your God than you do.

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reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 09:55 PM by The Matrix Traveller

Can anyone define to me, What their god is.

I am Not saying what I believe or Don't believe, but would rather hear what you have to say.

Each person believes in their own god, according to their own likes and dislikes, according to there own superstitions and fear...

But what has God got to say on the matter and I don't mean by repeating the ancient writings as humankind can't understand the writings in the understanding of the original Greek text 2,000 years ago.

The bible is a parable and so much rubbish is talked about these writings that were stolen by the Romans and used for political reasons in their day.

Before you can argue the validity of God one way or the other, you must first define what your interpretation of God is.

To understand what was talked of God 2,000 years ago or more you have to understand what they defined as "God", Not what your understanding is in 2008...

The Word "God" does Not mean what most think it does today.

Science is also a Religion....

Science is the Modern Religion of Today..

Friendly Regards,

The Matrix Traveller....

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 10:32 PM by Simplynoone

Hey Dave
{Jesus didn't lay down his life for us - he's God, right? Heck, he came back to life, so that's hardly a sacrifice. It would be like me going without food for a day.}

You really dont get it do you ?God did not have to come down as a man and die and be raised again for the sake of GOD ..but for the sake of man ..man complains why doesnt God just come down here .>WELL HE DID ...and he tried to show you he is God with ALL HIS MIRACLES and all his LOVE and yall killed him .......your killing God in your heart right now so your no different than the jews who rejected him and killed him .........the world SAID WE DONT WANT YOU GO AWAY ..........and what did he do ? Yes he went back ...but he says he will be back and then he is taking back what is his (those who want him ) ..And leaving the ones who didnt want to even consider what God has done ..he will leave you alone to what you chose ...DEATH ....eternal ..that means your soul will spiritually die forever away from God ..You CHOOSE THAT ..not him...when will yall get that
How else would you believe that God is God unless he sends his son allows yall to kill him then brings him back to life to prove to the world that he exists and that he is offering them the same as he did with Jesus ...which is to come back to life again (LIKE THE RAPTURE will be ).He came to show you that you can have ETERNAL life which is what you seek in your laboratories is it not ?Well you wont be able to accomplish that BUT HE CAN >...

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 10:37 PM by Simplynoone

Let me ask yall a question ..

If I told you I dont know you and I dont want to know you and I dont want to talk to you ever again
What would you do ?
I can guess ..see ya wouldnt wannabe ya right ?
And we wouldnt talk again I bet .

So you tell God I dont want to talk to you I dont want to know you at all I dont believe in you so shoooooo go away ...leave me be ...
What do you think he should do ?
Take you kicking and screaming to take you with him ..and just tell you your going with him..... against your will ???

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reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 10:52 PM by TruthParadox

reply to post by Simplynoone

You seem to misunderstand that atheists don't believe in God. You're argument is the same as if I asked why you reject Zeus. Zeus is dying to talk to you, but you reject him. You don't believe in Zeus, so what I said means nothing to you. Likewise, what you say about God means nothing to an atheist until you can prove he exists.

reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 11:02 PM by Simplynoone

If God doesnt exist then you dont exist .
We are in the IMAGE of something arnt we ?

I always wondered why athiests didnt believe in God .
It is just that you need proof for every single thing before you will believe it ?Is that it in a nutshell ?

Do athiests believe in anything spiritual ?
What about aliens etc ?

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