Proving The Existance Of God Cannot Be Done, Stop Trying, page 1
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reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 01:09 PM by dave420
reply to post by AlexG141989



Damn straight. For an atheist to prove their stance, they'd have to go through each and every deity ever conceived by man, and prove each one doesn't exist. Which is clearly impossible.

Or, theists can simply prove the existence of one of their gods (of which there are many). Which is also impossible.

Good luck to you, religious folks. If you need faith to get through the day, maybe you need some psychiatric help.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 01:45 PM by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by Ameneter





If as you say, as many people have different views as to what God is, what does that say about the reality of God? As the late mathematician Bertrand Russell said WHERE NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING EVERYONE HAS HIS OWN OPINION!


does this also apply to science?

just for arguments sake - if we're talking about what's provable - what is the reality of the universe?



reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 02:06 PM by dave420
reply to post by Spiramirabilis



Atheism is not a faith. Why do so many people have such a hard time understanding that? It's an absence of faith. Which is not faith, any more than an absence of a sandwich is a tasty meal.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 02:36 PM by Spiramirabilis
Originally posted by dave420
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post by Spiramirabilis



Atheism is not a faith. Why do so many people have such a hard time understanding that? It's an absence of faith. Which is not faith, any more than an absence of a sandwich is a tasty meal.



but - do you believe in the possibility of the sandwich?

people understand

atheism isn't a religion

it's the absence of faith - in a deity or creator

it's still a choice - you choose to believe something - something not based on fact - something not provable

you believe there is no god

you have faith that there is no god

yes - it's a game

but the subject is about proving - or not - the existence of god

how is what an atheist believes any more substantial than what a religious person believes?


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 06:57 PM by AlexG141989
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
Originally posted by dave420
reply to
post by Spiramirabilis



Atheism is not a faith. Why do so many people have such a hard time understanding that? It's an absence of faith. Which is not faith, any more than an absence of a sandwich is a tasty meal.



but - do you believe in the possibility of the sandwich?

people understand

atheism isn't a religion

it's the absence of faith - in a deity or creator

it's still a choice - you choose to believe something - something not based on fact - something not provable

you believe there is no god

you have faith that there is no god

yes - it's a game

but the subject is about proving - or not - the existence of god

how is what an atheist believes any more substantial than what a religious person believes?


well as far as where we are right now, it is fact that there is no god, because it hasn't been proven that there is. Is that simple enough to understand???


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 07:37 PM by AlexG141989
Originally posted by dunwichwitch
Actually, "faith" means to experience and know and be confident in that knowing based on experience. Like you have faith in your wife or best friend based on the experience of knowing them for so long, and knowing they will always come through for you. Of course, nobody can really prove anything to anyone if the person they are trying to prove "it" to doesn't experience it. Faith is different than belief.

You can go through each and every deity, and prove that it doesn't exist ONLY to yourself and those unfortunate enough to believe that you actually know something. Indeed, the only thing someone who hasn't "seen the light" can do is believe. At least it gives them hope for something more. What do you have in whatever you choose? Faith, or belief?

I'm not religious, but I know that God exists, and proof is all around you.
"For those who have eyes, let them see."
"For those who have ears, let them hear."

And for those who believe in something blindly, be it religious or scientific or political, let them either find their way accidentally, or let them fall off a cliff.


Thats the thing, most people don't form their opinions on religion based on experience, they do it blindly. I'd say of all the theists on this planet, at least 90 percent of them were in a way, forced to believe in God. The other ten percent imo are just misguided, lol but like I said I have no problem with people who believe in God. My entire family and all of my friends all believe in God so I don't have anything against you guys

"I'm not religious, but I know that God exists, and proof is all around you."

No u dont know God exists, I'm sorry to be so blunt, but if you really KNEW that god existed then this conversation would be over. The debate would have been silenced, I would be a believer, and you would probably be one of the most famous people in the history of man. There is proof all around us???, maybe to you.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 07:41 PM by dunwichwitch
Me being a musician, where do you think your ideas come from? Science tries to tell us that our brains are only active because of a random chain of chemical reactions that lead to our evolution up to this point, our conception, our birth, and our thought processes. If this is the truth, then what the Heck is our consciousness doing being able to reason and use logic and create very precise and very intricately beautiful things? We should be very random and chaotic and never be able to think nor conceive of anything. We should just be basically dead matter. We shouldn't even be matter. Things can only "matter" to some intelligent force. This had to have been here since the beginning of time. You don't just throw a bunch of things into a pot and accidentally invent an orderly universe filled with life and intelligence. It doesn't happen that way, and if we kept the wisdom we had forgotten from young childhood, we would indeed laugh wholeheartedly at that absurd explanation.

I don't think scientists have had any successful experiments thus far of creating intelligent design through random chemical reactions. The Yugo and the Pinto might have been exceptions, because those are both pieces of crap.

Like I was saying, I'm a musician. I write songs, but I never considred them to be MINE. I couldn't consider them my songs, when I considered how I felt about them when I first wrote them. It was like magic... and then there was AMAZING SONG... and I would sit there in awe, playing it over and over again, enjoying it like it was a song on an album by someone else. You could say that it was just your spirit... but where did your spirit come from? Surely if you were born from another and they were born from another and so on and so forth back until everyone's tree meets in a common ancestor, your soul is the same way. That is the common ancestry of the universe, the multi-verses the other dimensions of multi-verses, the parallel realities, all matter, all ether, all energy... comes from one common source.

You can call the source whatever name you want. You can call the source Bob. We all come from Bob the Grand Architect. All of our thoughts and ideas, all of our movements, all of our physicality, everything inside and out is the body of...Bob. Bob made good, Bob made evil, Bob made all the shades of gray area in between. Bob is watching you. Literally. Put a bunny ear antennae on your head and be quiet. The show's on.

Just because you can't see beyond the horizon doesn't mean the Sun dies and falls into an abyss. The same can be said about your reality. Just because you cannot see beyond your event horizon, doesn't mean things aren't happening above, below, or in between its particles, that you cannot percieve where your current boundaries are.
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