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Originally posted by Brothers
The unitarian universalist church is a good start if you want your children to learn about all religions. I don't distingust one from the other but take the best of all that is offered and teach that. That is my idea of a good religion.
What screams of revisionist editing?
Originally posted by asmeone2
reply to post by NOTurTypical
It screams to me revisionist editing.
I will repeat, though, I do not want to derail the thread by debating the Bible's historical legitimacy.
In this context it doesn't matter if it's actually true or not, because we still have a tangible and substantial amount of influence from those who think it is.
Originally posted by justamomma
Originally posted by NOTurTypical"Dangerous " how exactly? I feel protected by God's perfect wisdom. I feel protected by his hands. I feel protected by his guardian angels. I have such joy when I need something, pray for it, and receive it. My walk with God is a personal one, and it is great. I'd NEVER go back to trying to figure out life myself, that was when things were difficult. Never felt more free actually.
I am not saying that it would apply to you necessarily, but when you place the controls of your life into someone/things else's hand, you are still responsible for what happens.
To expect someone that you don't know really exists (other than your "feelings" of course) to "save" you, typically you are doing little to save yourself.
Now, don't get me wrong. The philosophies that were taught by this man in the bible are beautiful and certainly something that I do my best to fashion my life after, but I don't believe that putting my faith into him as god and saviour is wise.
I know the feelings to which you speak of...... I experience them even to this day and have revelations of certain things, but I don't credit it to a man that may or may not have existed thousands of years ago.
I credit them to the one who Created me....... the one who I am a part of.
I just "worry" that a lot of ppl could be very disappointed when/if they realize they have put their hope in an illusion (deception) that will/could evaporate in an instant leaving them feeling abandoned and hopeless.
People base their belief in someone, a man, and it can set them up for a world of disappointment. I believe in the spirit of jesus just as I believe in the spirit of ghandi. It is there to point the way, but they, as men, were NOT The Way.
The feelings that you experience could be nothing more than power of suggestion or feelings that come bc what is being taught through this man was Truth. It doesn't mean you are having some magical, mystical experience.
If it gives you hope, then by all means. It is your life and you have the choice to place your hope outside of what you have been given by the Creator. These are just my thoughts on it.
[edit on 7-8-2008 by justamomma]
Originally posted by asmeone2I want them to grow up knwing that they will be exactly as good as they choose to be.
This is precisely how I feel about it. This seems to be the only sure fire way to know that you are raising your children correctly. There doesn't have to be guessing games and fear involved. It is what it is, you are who you are, and they are who they are.
Yeah, it's only one. I also never said it was absolute either. It was a major factor.
Originally posted by asmeone2
reply to post by NOTurTypical
That's a nice collection of data, but doesn't inherantly prove that a lack of religion caused it.
Just to pick on the SAT one for example. At its inception it was taken mostly by privately schooled, college-bound students, now it's taken by almost every student, period. That alone is going to skew the data, plus the fact that the test itself has changed.
1963 also around the time when America's descent into a welfare state started--it's a bit off topic but I think that's the underlying cause for a lot of the problems stated.
And of course population has increased exponentially since 1963, so there's going to be more crime, period.
A lack of morals might be one factor in the breakdown, but it isn't the only one.
If I were "there" and had "proof" then I also would have ZERO "faith". So instead I read the testimony of the men who were actually there.
Originally posted by justamomma
reply to post by NOTurTypical
But you weren't there when the supposed books were written. You also have no proof that a man named Jesus really was born under the credentials laid out by the "prophet" daniel other than the bible, which was written by man. How are you so sure things weren't manipulated?
I am not coming at your beliefs in a mean spirited way. This is something that I still battle even to this day. If I am wrong, that probably doesn't bode well for me, now does it? But I just can't help but rationally look at this and realize that I have no proof that things happened as I am told they did.
I don't think a Creator would give me intelligence and then expect me to choose out of the many different religions offered to us and if I choose wrong there will be a place in hell for me.
The only thing that makes intellectual sense to me is that we are here to learn from our experiences. Cause and effect. All else seems to deter one from truly experiencing and learning.
Religious teachings remind me of games. Choose the right one or you lose.
If I were "there" and had "proof" then I also would have ZERO "faith".
Originally posted by asmeone2
If I were "there" and had "proof" then I also would have ZERO "faith".
You wouldn't need to have faith, because' you'd have seen it with your own eyes.
That actually sounds preferable to me.
Originally posted by Finn1916
Religion is not the only thing in this world that teaches values and respect and morals. You teach your children that simply because you want them to be moral people(like not stealing or being little vandals) not just because god says you shoudn't, but because decency says you shouldn't.
Where do these "morals" come from? Everything you call a "moral" today is found in one of the commandments.
Name one that is not.
Originally posted by NOTurTypicalIf I were "there" and had "proof" then I also would have ZERO "faith". So instead I read the testimony of the men who were actually there.
One either thinks all these men are liars or one can assume they wrote the books inspired by God. I lose NOTHING by dying in faith for naught. I lose my soul for not having faith that they told the truth. If I'm led by God to tell the truth now why shouldn't I believe they didn't feel the exact same way.
Remember something, these apostles were hunted down constantly by everyone from the Romans to the Pharisees trying to kill them. Do you honestly think they would go through that for a conspiracy they thought up?? I sure don't. The only thing that would have led them to endure all that they did was if they saw the miracles firsthand. They KNEW that Jesus was God, they witnessed it all firsthand and didn't waver an inch in the face of death.
I can put my faith in that for sure.