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reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:19 PM by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by asmeone2
reply to post by NOTurTypical


I think you misunderstand me.

I don't understand the exact mechanism of dying, nor what happens afterwards, but I understand that it means the soul leaves the body, which children can't understand before a certain age(which varies from kid to kid.)

They are my kids regardless if they understand that or not. My point was that the beleif should match what the child is capable of understanding.


I know what you mean, but I'm simply stating that we never stop being our parent's children, I still go to Mom and Pops for advice, most likely they have experienced something I'm having a difficult time with.

Now, of course a parent wouldn't teach that aspect of Christianity to a toddler, but when the child is older it is okay. For a toddler teaching them that "God made kitty", etc... I don't think anyone assumes the parent should teach every aspect of God's Word to toddlers, when they are that age teach them to fear God, just the way we teach them to fear the belt if they act up.

The lesson has to match the level they can comprehend... baby steps. I was pointing out that it seemed like you were saying that at some point we were no longer our parents children, or that their "teachings" ended when we went off to school.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:24 PM by justamomma
reply to post by NOTurTypical


Obviously I knew that christians believe "god inspired man" because I called out your rebuttal before you even wrote it.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by justamomma]


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:32 PM by Clearskies
reply to post by asmeone2


I've been 'in harmony' with God off and on for almost 16 years.
If I'm not 'connected', it's a problem on my side, it's called backsliding.

Jesus came and hugged me and wiped the tears from my eyes(not literally) when I
finally asked him to be my Saviour and forgive me.
I've felt Him with me and gotten discernment and secret knowledge from Him MANY times!
From ashes to Beauty!

[edit on 7-8-2008 by Clearskies]


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:34 PM by MrGrieves
reply to post by Clearskies


I think they're never insulted because they have the more realistic belief. Being an agnostic myself, I can say I've been cursed, frowned-upon, and damned to hell by MANY Christians. All because I didn't believe what they did.

So it works both ways. I simply don't believe we should chain our children to the shackles of religion at birth.

Keep on condemning the damned until you've damned yourself.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:36 PM by Clearskies
reply to post by MrGrieves


Cursed and damned by Christians?
What did they say?
I've never seen such as that.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:43 PM by asmeone2
Originally posted by MrGrieves
reply to post by Clearskies


I think they're never insulted because they have the more realistic belief. Being an agnostic myself, I can say I've been cursed, frowned-upon, and damned to hell by MANY Christians. All because I didn't believe what they did.

So it works both ways. I simply don't believe we should chain our children to the shackles of religion at birth.

Keep on condemning the damned until you've damned yourself.

I think it's also because of a fundamental difference in the type of beleif. Christians have little variance in what they beleive, wheras atheism is the lack of beleif in something, and agnostisim covers a pantheon of views. You might have more variety with the A's, which to some would appear as inconsistancies, I suppose.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:47 PM by Clearskies
reply to post by asmeone2


I know they have a wide-array of something, but,
they usually share hatred for Christians.
Insulting, belittling, even outright lies against us.
.



reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:49 PM by MrGrieves
reply to post by Clearskies


I'm not saying that I walked into a church one day and they threw me into the depths of hell. I was just adding to your question on why Christians get "bashed", but agnostics do not.

It came to a point where members of my own FAMILY would say such things as-
"It saddens me that I won't be seeing you in Heaven" all because I wouldn't go to church anymore. I've never been into any trouble, never took part in any Satan worship, and have never been anything but nice to anyone I've come into contact with.

Remember Toy Story with those little toy aliens all looking up at the giant grabber and chanting "the claw... the claw"? That's how I see Christianity at this point.

You may argue that the bible touches upon some great, important things, and it does. That doesn't make up for the other things included that are complete and utter nonsense.

It makes me sad to see people like Oprah, who have done more selfless, kind, and wonderful acts than most Christians will ever do, get so much crap for going against a belief.

Start taking credit for your own actions. You guys are forgiven for your sins, and then you proceed to do those sins again. People need to get in touch with their own souls before they start worrying about everyone else's. You can teach how to be a good person without bringing religion into it.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:55 PM by asmeone2
Originally posted by Clearskies
reply to post by asmeone2


I know they have a wide-array of something, but,
they usually share hatred for Christians.
Insulting, belittling, even outright lies against us.
.


With all due respect to what you beleive, there has been through history great evil comitted by Christians. Sometimes it's in the name of saving souls, sometimes 'in the name of god' is used as an excuse.

Not to mention rampant hypocracy, and the holier-than-thou.

It may not be every Christian that does these things, but there's enough of them around to give the rest a bad name.

I can only speak for myself but as an agnostic I will say it's not so much the beleifs, but what they have been used to accomplish currently and through history, and the fact that so many who follow them do so in utter blindness.

I don't go out of my way to bash Christians, but they go out of theirs to "save" me and act like I've been waiting my whole life for the "Good News." I have no problem with what they beleive, but ust because they beleive it doesn't mean that I should too.
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