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reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:01 PM by sir_chancealot
Originally posted by Slothrop
i see and hear a lot of paranoia these days about the government instituting another draft. in my mind, a draft would be about the best thing for the current generation of american kids.

ever since vietnam, which was a necessary if unpopular war, american democracy has been debased until it has become no more than a tyranny of the masses. the government is now expected to bow down to popular cowardices and feelings of entitlement. we have welfare and food stamps, but no compulsory service to one's country.

an entire generation of americans is involved in their country in theory only, playing world of warcraft or writing blogs from the safety of basement rooms while the world grows more dangerous day by day.

these people should be made to realize that, in being a patriot and a citizen, something is always at stake. a draft may be the only way.


I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU! THERE SHOULD BE A DRAFT! And here is who should be drafted, and sent IMMEDIATELY to the front lines in Iraq.

1) Anyone with a net worth over $10 million dollars. You've benefited the most from the freedoms here, you pay the heaviest price.

2) Anyone who's pay is more than $1,000,000 a year, in WHATEVER form it takes (stock options, bonuses, etc.). Same reason as above.

3) EVERY SINGLE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND TOP MANAGERS of ANY company, public or private, who has profited a SINGLE DOLLAR on the war in Iraq.

4) Every single politician above the township level in America, including all the whitehouse, both houses of congress, and ALL federal and state judges.

Now, THERE is a draft we can agree on! Institute a draft like that, and watch war come to an end in our lifetime!


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:04 PM by computerwiz32
reply to post by Slothrop




wow... I totally disagree. you said "these people should be made to realize that, in being a patriot and a citizen, something is always at stake. a draft may be the only way." So your saying that we should give up our freedom to be patriot.

You should really pay 5 times more on taxes then if you really love your country why not pay the bills.

If you support all these wars you should pay the bill of these wars not the people that was against it.

I am really sick of hearing Iraq was legit. I also never heard anyone here talking about why the U.S generals were at the hanging of suddam hmmm maybe it was a friendly tea party ???

I can only say this if you like your country enough to give up your freedom you are free to do so but don't drag everyone else into it.


I have said this many times and will say it again. We need to find out every single person that voted for Bush for 2 terms and they should get the bill from the bush admin of all the expenses occured since you supported him and think he done a great job you should be willing to get stuck with the bill.

I seriously think everyone that voted for bush for both terms deserves to get the bill since it was their votes that allowed the damage to be done.

I am sure if we attack Iran we will have a draft because we have to many battles going on at the same time.

I don't understand why people think war is needed. I notice most americans don't know anything about the stock market. The stock market shows a picture of our economy and shows how much the wars impact us over here in the U.S

First gas prices rose... then now we have food prices going up. Then we have shipping pricesing going up and then we have now airfare/taxies going up.

We have cost going up and saleries going down. I bet most americans say hmmm that is good because if prices go up we then make a profit form it since the cost of empolyess go down..ect..ect

I don't get why you say that a draft is a good idea. I am in college currently and their was a lady that works in the military and she told me that there is talks about drafting, she hears this because she talks to other people that works with her and most of them know other people that work at other military bases and they do get visits from important people top noch.

I know that if we do attack Iran we need a draft I don't see how we can have order in Iraq afganistan and pakistan.

but it looks like bush has to attack Iran in aug or sep if he dosen't he will be too late and there will not be a war.

Iran is trying hard to not allow this war to happen this is why bush is getting alot of road blocks to do such an attack.

If we do attack I am just saying our stock market will crash, because Iran has certain control on shipping routes which can effect us and also oil/gas ect. He will strike our wallets.

Just to say that money in a war is the most powerful weapon, it's like fire the more of it the more fire spreads the less of it the less damage they can do.

these are just my comments/thoughts about this subject (drafting)

If you seen that movie made my mikel moore fahrenheit 9/11 asking senators and congressmen if they would draft their kid to our war wnated a signature he only got one 1 signature that was it.

The rest didn't want to. So it's like saying the rest of americans should be drafted but not our kids or family memebers.

So does a draft sound good now. I hope you watch that movie and then rethink about this topic.

Because I know if we attack Iran we will need man power which we don't have.

last 2 years I was in my last year of high school and military people kept coming after me to sign up with the marines and I will get a free hat and a free computer game. I kept saying no. Then I get a call from navada some military base asking if I am interested in working in the army.
They asked me questions about my weaight, body fat, astma ect and told me that I am fit to be in the army. This was right after I registerd for college where the fed aid money for college required me to fill out a form that will put my information in the draft database. I got the draft card which has my info and what number line I am in the draft database.
The guy that colled me he called me back a week ago asking if I talked to my parents about it and what my decision is, which I told him that I plan to go to college and if I do go in the military I would like to be in computers or in the airfoce.

He called again but this time my dad answered it and told him that we are not interested.

My dad has lived in the U.S for a long time and he said he never seen such desperation before.

Those are just my thoughts. What do you guys think??


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:13 PM by Magnivea
reply to post by Shamanator



A boost to the economy? Please elaborate. Like the current "boost?"


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:24 PM by Sleuth
reply to post by moocowman


I am a woman. I served my country in the 80's. I wore a uniform and I carried a rifle and I stood ready to defend my country.

I'm older now and I have health problems that preclude me from further serving my country. I would if I could.

Why?

Because someone has to have the balls to defend this place I call home. You obviously aren't interested in doing so. With neighbors like you, who needs enemies?

It ain't all about Iraq, Slick.

Sleuth

[edit on 8/7/08 by Sleuth]


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:27 PM by EnlightenUp
reply to post by Slothrop



The vets I know (some Vietnam) don't want a draft and prefer people that volunteer to be watching their backs.

The latest generation has been stripped of many benefits that one might say are welfare. Alot of reform was done to appease those that consider benefits to be something only the lazy and low class receive without understanding how it benefits them or not really caring.

The Vietnam generation was one of the last to have "welfare" as the New Deal systems hadn't been screwed with yet. Now they're going on the welfare that people pretend isn't welfare as they retire. They want all their retirement benefits (medicare, SocSec, VA) but don't want anything given to others. It doesn't work that way. Get in line if you want to deny things to people. You're the first people the neocons will want to get rid of. They're doing it now by increasing general levels of stress.

I'd say that that welfare generation turned out to be the biggest bunch of entitled brats on the planet. Their parents are very different. The Vietnam Vets also tend to be more introspective and reasonable in my experience. Some are whacked-out weird but not whiney.

(/rant)

To heck with conving or proving. I'll just wait till it all comes to light. All the info is out there about it anyway.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:28 PM by Sleuth
reply to post by Wotan


Wotan, I agree with compulsory national service as an alternative to a draft. It offers more options, yet still provides the structure necessary to teach these kids some discipline and civic responsibility.

[edit on 8/7/08 by Sleuth]



reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:33 PM by dariousg
Originally posted by Sleuth
reply to
post by Wotan


Wotan, I agree with compulsory national service as an alternative to a draft. It offers more options, yet still provides the structure necessary to teach these kids some discipline and civic responsibility.

[edit on 8/7/08 by Sleuth]


Dear God, would someone then PLEASE answer HOW WILL WE PAY FOR THIS? If you think 9 trillion in national debt isn't enough then imagine what it will be like when we MUST employ a hundred million teens for 2 to 3 years.

They won't do it for free. Period.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:37 PM by jprophet420
reply to post by Wotan


Im getting really sick and tired of people assuming that somehow you have to 'do something special' to help your country.

How about I'm rasing a child?

How about I'm involved in the fight for a better investigation for 911?

How about I have a job and do my part to support the economy?

How about I love my wife and remain faithful and by her side no matter what?

How do any of these things I do not contribute to a better America?

Have you ever saved a life instead of taking one? I have. I gave the heimlick manuever (sp) that I was taught at work and saved a life. I dont need to have anything forced upon me to be a better person. It is my personal choice. Freedom is what America is all about.

You have the freedom to make the choice between educating yourself and living in a trailer and cooking meth. What you do with that choice makes you an American including the ones that make choices you don't like.

I bleed Red, White and Blue. I will go down with the ship if that is what it takes and call all others traitors.

But kiss my yankee ass if you think I'm going to war for someone elses choice

Star this post if you love America.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:38 PM by Wildbob77
reply to post by dariousg



I think that considerably less than 100 million people graduate from high school each year.

So the question would be how does the government finance a program that would be mandatory for all high school graduates. That's a good question and off the top of my head I don't have a well thought out answer.

But you could think about the potential good from such a program before you shut your mind because of the costs. Remember, our government just spend 750,000,000 dollars on the war in Iraq which hasn't improved our infrastructure her at home.

This would be an opportunity to teach kids job and life skills that they might not have learned in the public school system. It would, hopefully, help people to appreciate their community and/or country a little more. It would also be a great equalizer if all kids had to perform service.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:45 PM by jprophet420
reply to post by Wildbob77


yes yes taking away a personal choice would teach them that personal choice is less important that doing what you are told.

That would in turn enable them to think for themselves and question authority less so that they can be manipulated easier.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 03:49 PM by Sleuth
reply to post by Wildbob77


People always seem to latch on to the negatives even if the intent and the outcome of an idea are absolutely positive. I'd say this is the biggest reason why we need something like compulsory national or military service.

The naysayers keep forgetting that, whether they like it or not, they are still members of one country. They don't think about the long-term consequences of the death of that country. The here and now is all that matters to them - the fast food, the video games, the sports.

This is how the dream will die. If the men who initiated and fought the Revolution thought this way, the US never would have been.

Strap on some reproductive organs, people. Stand for something other than your individual selfishness.
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