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reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 08:11 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by VIKINGANT
Looks like its not just me.
I just noticed this thread
LHCountdown.com has gone down
My best guess is overload of people jumping on. I guees the link Zorgon gave us will probably crash around 9-10 Sept as well for the same reason
Not likely  The Cern site has money and if my server can handle traffic like that I bet they can. I am running 5 terabytes right now... 
I was thinking throwing an End of the World Party in 2012... maybe we should have one for this? You know countdown like New years and all?
Maybe I can talk a Casino into hosting it and take bets on the End of Everything... High Odds If nothing happens Casino wins If world ends you win
Big Time...
errr well...... ummmm Well at least the Casinos won't have to pay out
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reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 09:08 PM by Distractions4Nothing
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Of course this is an attempt to ridicule the serious protestors. Seem pretty obvious to me. But then, like I've said before, most people really
don't "get" satire.
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reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 11:26 PM by ImaginaryReality1984
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Is anyone else really excited about this experiment? I may be an absolute geek but i think about it every day, bounce up and down when i really start
thinking about it. Come on CERN, flick the damn switch and start finding things!
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reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 12:48 AM by Memysabu
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We as humans are the only ones to assign feelings to inanimate objects.
Those people need a social psych class or two.
This is why you dont drop outta school kids, you end up protesting the mistreatment of dental floss.
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reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 01:25 AM by BlasteR
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reply to post by Cyberbian
But the universe is CONSTANTLY destroying itself. Black holes, nuclear fusion within stars, matter/anti-matter, the list goes on.. And if the
big-bang was really initiated by a massive explosion, the death of matter is what created this universe to begin with.
But the idea that a black hole will envelop the earth is also pretty ridiculous. A micro-black hole only lasts a fraction of a second. This is due
to many factors but, most importantly, Hawking radiation. And it will not have the power to do anything other than exist for a fraction of a second
and disappear while having nearly no influence on surrounding matter.
In other words it will disappear as soon as it was created. But even if a micro black hole were created by the LHC, it could give us direct
scientific evidence of other dimensions, as well as show us their shape. This is an immensely important scientific undertaking that could even give
us a new understanding of how the universe began.
-ChriS
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reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 10:34 AM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by Lethil
How sure are you that he black holes created will evaporate quickly?  I guess not that sure,you are idiotic with your sarcasm my friend,its not
that good....infact its the worst ive seen on ATS..
How sure are you that any black holes will be created at all?
The people running CERN are saying that if that were really an issue, cosmic rays would have created the same type of black holes here on earth long
ago.
I know they both start with the same letter "s", but science and sarcasm are hardly the same thing.
Hey, but even if they do manage to create a planet-eating black hole, I'm guessing they won't do that until, say, December 2012.
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reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 02:17 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by Memysabu
We as humans are the only ones to assign feelings to inanimate objects.
How do you know that?
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reply posted on 8-8-2008 @ 02:21 PM by zorgon
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Originally posted by BlasteR
But the universe is CONSTANTLY destroying itself. Black holes, nuclear fusion within stars, matter/anti-matter, the list goes on.. And if the
big-bang was really initiated by a massive explosion, the death of matter is what created this universe to begin with.
I see.. so your argument is we shouldn't worry about saving the Hadrons because there is death and destruction all over the universe...
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reply posted on 9-8-2008 @ 01:59 AM by BlasteR
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Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by BlasteR
But the universe is CONSTANTLY destroying itself. Black holes, nuclear fusion within stars, matter/anti-matter, the list goes on.. And if the
big-bang was really initiated by a massive explosion, the death of matter is what created this universe to begin with.
I see.. so your argument is we shouldn't worry about saving the Hadrons because there is death and destruction all over the universe...
My argument is that the destruction of matter is a natural process since it occurs naturally on a daily basis. You don't really have to look further
than the interior of the sun.
And why would destroying a few molecules in the name of groundbreaking science make that much of a difference? You can probably imagine the vast
number of molecules being destroyed right now inside the Sun due to constant nuclear detonations. The entire idea of stars dying is because they run
out of nuclear "fuel". Black holes form because the nuclear detonations within massive stars can no longer counter-act the gravity created by the
stars mass, therefore the star collapses onto itself under it's own gravity. A red giant becomes a red giant because the nuclear fuel is nearly
depleted. This will be the fate of our sun someday. I can explain the process in a little more detail if you would like, but I think you get the
idea.
To think that destroying molecules somehow negatively impacts the universe is simply mind-numbingly absurd. If people are really that worried about
molecules, why aren't people protesting the sun? Or the entire universe for that matter since stars are seemingly endless in number? To think that
we are somehow going to effect some kind of grand balance of the universe is ridiculous.
Any microscopic black hole that is created as a result of LHC is not going to do much of anything except instantly disappear. WHY do people think
that this device is somehow going to open up pandora's box? I think it is largely because of the scale of the site and the massive size of the
equipment. It freaks people out. But this is an opportunity for the human race to discover all kinds of things we have always theorized, thought,
and dreamed about but never thought we could ever discover. This device could eventually be responsible for some of the most mind-bending scientific
discoveries in human history. And if we are ever going to learn anything about the universe around us, we can't just throw in the towel because of
the destruction of a few molecules.
Scientists are saying we could find out more about the first moments of the big bang on a smaller scale. And why is that a bad thing? I'm almost
thinking this is some kind of fear-mongering effort by religious people and organisations because they are in fear that we may actually find
scientific evidence of the big bang instead of "god created the heavens and the earth". That's also something to ponder.
-ChriS
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reply posted on 9-8-2008 @ 02:18 AM by zorgon
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Originally posted by BlasteR
And why would destroying a few molecules in the name of groundbreaking science make that much of a difference?
Well that ground breaking science say you cannot destroy matter only convert it
But its the 'ground breaking' people are worried about
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reply posted on 9-8-2008 @ 04:14 AM by BlasteR
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Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by BlasteR
And why would destroying a few molecules in the name of groundbreaking science make that much of a difference?
Well that ground breaking science say you cannot destroy matter only convert it
But its the 'ground breaking' people are worried about
This same kind of public concern for groundbreaking science is well documented throughout history. One great example is the trinity atomic test.
Some people thought that the trinity atomic test would cause some kind of massive chain reaction and destroy the entire planet. It didn't happen.
Of coarse we would all be alot better off if atomic weapons were never discovered because we wouldn't have to worry about some dictator initiating an
all out nuclear holocaust. But the concept still applies.
There are countless other similar examples throughout history, involving nature itself rather than science, which caused people to believe we were all
gonna die. Comets and eclipses are a couple. Which isn't to say that a comet couldn't create a mass extinction event. But, as you probably well
know, comets didn't just scare people because they feared it would hit the earth.
The point is that the doomsday scenario has always been theorized and/or feared but it has never come true. That isn't to say that it couldn't
happen tomorrow for whatever reason. But, IMO, the LHC is the least of our worries right now (If you choose to even call it that). The media has
hyped this story to no end because the entire premise behind this hypothetical doomsday scenario gets people's attention and makes a great news
story. If you notice, other massive scientific undertakings similar to the LHC have gotten nearly NO media attention. For example, people aren't
exactly biting their fingernails over what's gonna happen with the NIF laser in Livermore, California.
Projects like this, for example..
lasers.llnl.gov...
discovermagazine.com...
And I doubt they've had a mass of protestors to worry about like they have in Geneva, Switzerland right now.
-ChriS
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reply posted on 9-8-2008 @ 05:01 AM by zorgon
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Originally posted by BlasteR
And I doubt they've had a mass of protestors to worry about like they have in Geneva, Switzerland right now.
Well then maybe we can organize one..  Kick down some gates... create a diversion while I sneak away and get some photos
You know you are far to serious for this thread... However thanks for the link... that one wasn't on my list yet...
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reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 01:04 AM by VIKINGANT
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OK So the LHC is about to be turned on.
Enough of the doom and gloom for the fate of the world.
Let us all take a moment and spare a thought for these little defensless hadrons.
One minute silence please....
Thank you
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