"It's Like Something Out Of The Third World", page 9

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by beforetime

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i get great health care fu poor people..

Indeed.. of course I would never say "fu" .. that's not nice..

i get good health care cause i think i am better than everyone .my counterpart's

I planned my budget to take car of home insurance, car insurance, health insurance. Makes me better? Nah .. smarter.. more responsible.. yes..

i use my healthcare as a badge of my wealth.

My health insurance cost me $85 a month for full coverage with a 2k co-pay (don't plan on going to the hospital) .. for the family it is $250 a month with a lower co-pay. I spend more then that a week on booze and entertainment .. badge of my wealth? No .. my house is my "badge" to my wealth ..

and i think id rather see kid's die from no healthcare in america than half to wait in line 30 more minute's for a doctor to stick his finger up my butt..with socialized medicine.

Disease keeps populations in check. If a child can't get healthcare, don't blame me for paying YOUR share of the taxes (those who abuse the healthcare system don't pay federal taxes) blame the ignorant bastards that produced the brat to begin with!

selfish tisk tisk

Selfish because your to retarded to take care of you and your family? Personally, I would be ashamed..

Personally i think your nothing but a forum troll.

when did i say i never had health care?
i didn't there again you assume i did not.
why because i disagree with you idea screw poor people's health care..they don't deserve any.
And you hope poor america kid's die from illness....why you send money every month to feed a starving African.
you are a example of whats wrong with of Americans today.
you are still a arrogant little retard but i like you.

reply to post by beforetime

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Because I know you don't understand economics...

Kentucky's per capita income continues to lag far behind the national average, despite increasing by nearly 33% from 1997 to 2004.

33% INCREASE in PER CAPITA

During this span, the state's PCI has risen from $20,855 to $27,709. These numbers placed Kentucky's PCI at 84% of the national average in 2004

16% BELOW the NATIONAL AVERAGE

even AFTER increasing 33%

which is the closest it has been to the U.S. level in the 35 years that comparable statistics have been collected.

Equates to a 35 YEAR HIGH.

Get an education.

Originally posted by dontreadonme
reply to post by romanmel

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Once again you are misrepresenting how it works. I pay for ALL of my HI...

Now you've changed your story...you originally said that the employer's contribution was part of your "benefits". Bottom line is we are all dependant upon one another and must count on the good will of others at some point in our lives. The poor are always with us. How we treat them is a measure of our humanity or lack thereof. All the best to you in your life's journey!

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by beforetime

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That's Kentucky mate........ a notoriously poor backward state. Alabama and Arkansas are still worse, don't worry.

(by the way 22k/yr/pc = 44k/yr/hsla)



Considering most people go to the doctor once a year ($150 without insurance 20 with) it's not that expensive. Hospital visits should be restricted to EMERGENCIES. Not when some backward hilljack from Kentucky burns himself playing with gasoline..

That's why socialized medicine is bad.. the ignorant few who abuse with their astounding stupidity ruin it for the rest..

apparently your 48 thousand a year income for american's need to be researched..your fact's are how do you say..bullshyt as penn and teller say

You compare one of the poorest states in the Union with a National level lol.

your rich butt's don;t get dirty

I know your jealous of any man with money but it's really .... really unbecoming..

My wage is not "rich" and even if I made $10 an hr I could still afford my insurance .. maybe if you spent as much time providing for your family instead of burning your feet off acting like a fool, you wouldn't have pent up anger over your own failed life.

people in Arkansas Kentucky..ect...pay the same for housing food gas for car....as you do mate

they make 20 thousand less a year average..than say California.

being backwards hillbilly's is a poor comeback to why they have low income ..sorry to tell ya.

i am not jealous of you heck..i honestly feel bad for you.HONESTLY
you are so raped up in im a little living testament of self pride.
you would rather let kid's die in your own country.
than to be bothered to wait 30 more minute's if there was socialized medicine lol
that good sir is makes you a living breathing male organ that i shall not name

reply to post by romanmel

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More "benefits" = less take-home pay. Less "benefits" = more take-home pay. The COMPENSATION is the same. How hard is this?????

I agree that we need to take care of the less fortunate. I believe that I ought to get to choose who gets my money. I don't believe that the State is the most effective tool to use for charity. I believe that the State causes more harm than good in this respect. You don't have a problem with forcing someone to "help" another. I do. I should be free to be helpful or selfish. I'm the one that has to live with the reprecussions.

It's easy to be compassionate when you are spending someone else's money...

Eric

reply to post by dontreadonme

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When do you realize we are not talking about charity?


We are talking about ensuring that the Rich and Health Insured are not exposed to the Poor and UnInsured.


This isn't charity... this is making sure I don't walk into a public place full of people who are full of disease.


PUHLEASE get these poor sick people some health care so I can feel safe to go to the city and spend my millions.

reply to post by Quazga

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The charity comments were in response to his comments about charity. I wasn't refering to HI or a NHS.

Who are all of these disease-ridden people you are surrounded by? If anyone is sick enough to be contagious they can go to the hospital anytime they want. If they aren't going now, what makes you think they would go if we had a NHS?

I don't want to live in third-world conditions either. But I don't know where in America those conditions exist....

Eric

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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And how do you think Socialist/Communist movements take root? When the free-market system no longer supports its own workers, the Red Menace will ooze its way in. For every person who gets sick and can't be treated, for every person who is skiping meals to feed their children, etc., etc, you will find a recruit for the far left.

Political ideology goes right out the window when you are ill and hungry.

How do you propose that I go out and earn more (as if it were so easy as you make it sound) when I have a debilitating disease that I am not being treated for?

Originally posted by dontreadonme
reply to post by Quazga

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The charity comments were in response to his comments about charity. I wasn't refering to HI or a NHS.

Who are all of these disease-ridden people you are surrounded by? If anyone is sick enough to be contagious they can go to the hospital anytime they want. If they aren't going now, what makes you think they would go if we had a NHS?

I don't want to live in third-world conditions either. But I don't know where in America those conditions exist....

Eric

So you are advocating that they steal? Going to the ER without healthcare today is tantamount to stealing.

reply to post by jackinthebox

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OK, so you fight leftism by shifting further to the left? That makes absolutely no sense, man. This isn't a forest fire being contained via a controlled burn, here.

As for what you should do, I haven't a clue. From the short time I've been here and read your posts I've noticed that you seem to be a walking demonstration in Murphy's Law. You've been cursed with the reverse Midas touch, meaning everything in your life seems to have turned to crap. About the only thing I can suggest is praying, possibly to multiple religion's gods just to better your chances.

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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OK, so you fight leftism by shifting further to the left? That makes absolutely no sense, man. This isn't a forest fire being contained via a controlled burn, here.

Rome is burning. Ask any of the people in the bottom half of the population. One in eight Americans are trying to survive on less than ten-grand a year. Working people.

Besides, in the end it's all about striking a balance. You can't let your people die of disease and starvation and hope to maintain a successful free-market system. Social programs are a necessary "evil," if you want to look at them that way. As another poster stated, what about the police, the DMV, the highway department, etc. All socialist.

As far as I'm concerned, we need a strong socialist foundation for a thriving free-market system. There is no excuse for having people living in the streets in the most powerful nation on the planet. It makes no sense that the majority of workers who I know, can't afford to rent the cheapest apartments available. The disparity has reached a breaking point, and it will harm even the people who think they are well off enough to be immune.

A friend of mine had a bad accident a few months ago. He couldn't afford to have his brakes done and make his child-support payments. So he wound up slamming into a van full of kids and a soccer mom, broadside. I only hope that the driver and her husband were the sort who also support Capitalism at all costs.

As for what you should do, I haven't a clue.

There's nothing I can do. That's what makes people like me open to any suggestions, including ones coming from foreign infiltrators bent on bringing down America. The balance of power in this country would take a sudden and dramatic shift if a real revolutionary were to stick their head up.

From the short time I've been here and read your posts I've noticed that you seem to be a walking demonstration in Murphy's Law. You've been cursed with the reverse Midas touch, meaning everything in your life seems to have turned to crap.

Ugh, tell me about it. If ti wasn't me, it would almost be funny.

About the only thing I can suggest is praying, possibly to multiple religion's gods just to better your chances.

Now that's funny.

Originally posted by Sheeper

All corporations need a kick in the butt.

I don't see that happening... not when we have things like THIS

Halliburton provided contaminated water to Soldiers

reply to post by jackinthebox

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The police & DMV I might give you, but there's a difference between infrastructure and social programs. Infrastructure is an asset while it can be argued that social programs are purely an expenditure.

I guess one of the issues here that confuses me is why it is that border states like Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas are innundated with illegals who come across to hit the emergency rooms when they need urgent care because they know the law requires the hospitals to treat them even though they will never pay a cent for their care. Yet American citizens can apparently be turned away if they don't have the means to pay their bill? Am I understanding that to be the case where you are? If so, then dude, walk into the ER tell the receptionist "No habla englais, yo no mas querro el disease de Lyme. Yo no es bueno" and get yourself some treatment.

reply to post by In nothing we trust

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Hey, ask any Native American about their health care. It sucks. And it sucks big time. What is this "oh yeah we pay for that too" BS? It was part of the treaty when we took their land, the US govt promised to cover this in exchange for the land, if you people would bother to pay attention is school or READ A BOOK about the treaties and the broken promises, you wouldn't get all worked up about what THEY get that you don't. YOU didn't hand over all your land only to be pushed onto desolate crappy land that nobody else wanted, until uranium or gold was discovered. So, yes, the govt provides free health care, but the coverage SUCKS.

Originally posted by dontreadonme
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

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I really think that this is pure propaganda. Check out these Dept of Labor statistics from 2005 (latest I could find). We Americans don't spend that much on healthcare. Nevermind the fact that EVERYONE has "free" healthcare. Anyone, anywhere and at anytime can go to any emergency room and get treated without having to pay upfront.

I don't understand how FEDGOV, with almost a 3 trillion dollar budget, can't afford to do this now, with the money they have. Not that I would want them to. I can't think of really anything that GOVCO does well. If they were a corporation, they would have gone under decades again. They wouldn't have that many customers, considering the poor job they do in most things. And finally,there is no constitutional allowance for FEDGOV to provide health insurance anyway. Not that expecting FEDGOV to abide by the constitution really means anything to people who are voting money out of other people's pockets....

Besides, if you give something away, people are going to come whether they need to or not. I'd like to see them charge $20 a head next year and see how many people show up.

Consumer Expenditures in 2005

look at table B.

Uhm, no everyone does NOT have FREE health care, did you ever go to the emergency room? You are right that you don't have to "pay upfront", but I can guarantee you those bills you get a few weeks later, will wipe you out. So, it is not "Free", you just get billed up the wahoo.

In 2007, total national health expenditures were expected to rise 6.9 percent — two times the rate of inflation. Total spending was $2.3 TRILLION in 2007, or $7600 per person.

Also Under the EMTALA law, any person presenting to an Emergency Department is entitled by law to a Medical Screening Exam. The purpose of that exam is to determine if any illness or injury is present that without immediate intervention, could have serious consequences if treatment is delayed more than 24 hours. Hospitals are only required to "stabilize" you before sending you home or to your general practitioner or a specialist.

ER waits are now closer to one hour to see a DR. compared to half an hour several years ago. Also, I have personally had experiences where we were put into a room and waited for multiple hours before being seen.

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