i was playing with gas...using it to light a fire like a dumbarse...


well it caught my foot on fire lol

burnt the ankle pretty good..but i would have lived...i wasn't going to go to the hospital ect..
my wife made me..women pssshhht

i sit for 45 minute's..tellin my wife i will go home put something on it i will be fine lol

finally i go back to see a doctor.

the doctor tells this nurse to rinse out the burn..i was like ok lol
she goes over to the dang tap turn on water same water i get at my house.
rinse's it out ect...
tells me keep neosporin on it lol..i said see woman i could have done this at home...the hospitals a rip off..

i get the bill in mail a week later...they charged me 500 dollars for that water she got from the tap...it wasnt blessed by a priest..holy water...din't even have special healing power's lol it was tap water.

that's why we cant go to the doctor...


And people that make 7 dollar's a hour in america don't get health carefrom there employer's.
even if they got the option for it...that woudl be anohter 60 dollars removed from there already ..joke of a paycheck..that they can barely pay there bill's with now.
they are the 30% to 35% of america none give a shyt about..till it become's them.


the common man makes 7 dollars a hour. 40 hours a week 7x4=280-80 bucks for tax's=200.....200x4weeks is what? 800 dollars income. now read what it takes to live in america...and i give a low estimate
350 for rent
300 for food
100 for gas for car
150 for water and electric.
80 for diaper's
150 for kids school supllies.

there way there is never a way to save a dime..for the common American worker's...
if a family has a wife father and 2 kids or so.
one has to stay home and watch the kid's...unless she/he finds a way to make money at home..which is kinda hard..they are stuck in a endless rut.

it make's me sick sometimes when i watch tv...all the rich america's..donating money ect...to kid's in another country..when america is falling to apart.
And i don't live in a big city..i live in a very common us city..not even a superwalmart..its 30 miles away lol

i know 3 family's right now...so desperate for help...no light's or running water...barely any food...most case's they are just people down on there luck not dead beat's as every rich person want's you to think.


[edit on 7-8-2008 by beforetime]

I can't understand how the right to own a gun would trump the right of all men (and women) to lead a happy HEALTHY life. To me that is also a god given right, that is unalienable. I have every right to be HEALTHY period. Not healthy if I can afford it.

You Americans can keep your broken system, watching your fellow man and his family die in the streets without sympathy because "he should have paid his health insurance" and "it is not my problem". I will continue to live my life up here in Canada, with "nanny state" health care. Making sure that I use my rights for free speech and assembly to ensure that my neighbour gets taken care of, and that NO ONE takes away me or my family my right to be healthy.

Apparently you all missed the part where I told you that I pay less taxes here in Canada than I did living in Wisconsin. I pay no money out of pocket for health-care: just taxes.

Yes, the U.S. has a bigger population than Canada...which accounts for some of the huge amount of spending the U.S. does on health-care. But the European Union has more citizens than the U.S....and yet they manage to afford health-care for all it's citizens.

Repeating flawed logic and political talking points over and over does not make them true.

My employer isn't burdened by my health insurance. The company essentially gets a group rate for insurance. Sure, they don't have to offer insurance, but it is part of my benefits package for working there. They could pay me more salary and not offer insurance, but this gives them a tax break and me the "group" rate. Both parties benefit.

This is way off topic.

Back to the OP's topic

If something like healthcare or exams for free, of course people are going to show up in droves. This doesn't mean that we are a third world country.

This whole issue is being approached the wrong way. I have been in medicine almost 20 yrs. The inflated costs of healthcare are coming mainly from the manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, and insurance companies.
Here are just a few examples.
One sterile procedure tray $20-50
One spinal needle $4-$100
One 10ml bottle of xray dye $45
One radiolucent sponge $50
A Cat Scan Xray Tube $60,000 (last about 2-3yrs)
One box of CT film 100shts $200

Now, when a Dr. tries to bill this to an insurance company, the insurance company knows these costs are inflated, so they only reimburse 20% to 40% of the costs. These costs are not inflated by the Dr. They have to pay full price for these products. In order for the Dr.'s to make enough money to stay in business, they add to the cost of the office visits and their fees. It is one vicious circle. Insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies are the bad guys. They lobby our government with their billions of $$ to get what theywant. Individuals are not important, only $$$$$$$.

Check this out, in the 90's, the insurance company Humana denied a 70yr old man a heart surgery, stating that they could help so many children with that money instead of wasting it on an elderly man. That same day, they installed a $500,000.00 statue in their lobby, according to Dr.Peno, a Dr. that worked for the company. I have also been told that insurance companies were established in the beginning to launder money for the mafia, not sure it's true, but it sounds about right. One other story, a child had a high fever, the mother called the nurse line at her insurance company which was required in order for them to pay. Instead of sending the child to the closest ER, she sent them to one 50 miles away because the ins. comp. got a discount at that ER. That child lost both arms and legs.
There's your criminals


One other point, why is it that the government should take care of everyone? Nature doesn't work that way. Survival of the fittest. Take care of ourselves, eat right, less fast food,exercise will in turn make you healthier. There are way too many people on the planet now, can you imagine what it would be like if everyone lived forever?? You think things are bad now!!!

Until we as a country stand up against these companies, nothing will change. If the government has to pay the same inflated prices for products and such, that cost will be passed onto every taxpayer. I don't know about everyone else, but I already pay too much in taxes, I can't afford to pay more.

This is like talking to a brick wall or an endless tape machine that keeps repeating the same old lines over and over.

Extortionate priced healthcare does not equal good healthcare. Its the people within the healthcare systems that make healthcare good or bad.

Socialised/Nationalised healthcare is not Communist or controlling the masses.

Socialised/Nationalised healthcare taxation is cheaper than health insurance premiums.

There are very few limitations/clauses in socialised healthcare to what treatment may be done - All benefit regardless of age and wealth.

I suggest to some of you to look at the WHO website and do some comparisons of healthcare systems - you will be surprised at how low the US is ranked.

For some time, I've had great conflicts about the health care here in the US. I have great insurance so to me there has never been a health care crisis.

I have a relative who has never had heath insurance. When he has a health issue, he just goes to the local county hospital, states that he doesn't have insurance and his medical needs have always been provided for by the county for free. So here in California, you can get free health care by just going to the county hospital.

My family has always received great health care but we're insured.

So, the real question should be how do we provide health care to the population here in the US that doesn't have insurance yet still has assets?

I think that the Federal government should consider opening urgent care centers in major metropolitan areas as an experiment. These should provide basic care needs for people who can't afford health insurance. So, these services would include immunizations, prenatal care and basic well patient care. They should also provide urgent care for minor injuries etc

Local emergency rooms should have an upfront charge or $100 minimum to be seen. So if you arn't a true emergency then you would go to the Federal Urgent care facilities and be treated for free.

If you are in this country illegally and you rack up a big medical bill, your country of origin should be billed for any costs that you incur . When you are well, you should be deported. Once again, this would reduce the "health care crisis" funding issues.

People who have insurance would still be able to see the doctor of their choice( if he/she is in their covered medical group) so there basically wouldn't be any change for them.

Existing doctors and medical groups would no longer have to worry about getting money back from the government for Medicaid etc.

Existing emergency rooms would no longer have to be the primary care physicians for the uninsured which would help to keep them open and reduce costs to people who have insurance.

So, my vote is for a two tiered system. One for people with insurance and the other run by the Federal government for the uninsured.

Originally posted by Wotan
This is like talking to a brick wall or an endless tape machine that keeps repeating the same old lines over and over.

Amen to that! You guys are getting really annoying with all of this NHS stuff.

I tell you what. You stay over there with your NHS. We'll stay over here with our outdated, unenlightened and uncompassionate private one and we'll leave it at that. Deal?

We're not Eurpeans and you're not Americans. Isn't diversity what makes the world go round?

Eric