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reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 07:59 AM by Wotan
reply to post by Solarskye


I have paid my National Insurance premiums since I was 17 years old ( I am now 46), so yes I DO pay my way.

Frankly I find your insinuations quite insulting. As a Nurse I would like to think that I give back more than money could buy. There have been many times that I have stayed after a 12 hour shift has ended to care for a seriously ill patient because for whatever reason there was not enough staff or that there were other crtically ill people to look after and then I would be back at work the next day for more of the same.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 08:14 AM by Solarskye
Originally posted by Wotan
reply to post by Solarskye


I have paid my National Insurance premiums since I was 17 years old ( I am now 46), so yes I DO pay my way.

Frankly I find your insinuations quite insulting. As a Nurse I would like to think that I give back more than money could buy. There have been many times that I have stayed after a 12 hour shift has ended to care for a seriously ill patient because for whatever reason there was not enough staff or that there were other crtically ill people to look after and then I would be back at work the next day for more of the same.


Well good for you. You seem to be a good nurse and I applaud your passion. But you do get paid for your services and the times you don't is your choice and you should do it without thinking you deserve more.

Sorry if I upset you but I had to ask. I'm glad you work hard and care for so many in your profession. I still don't like the idea of a National Health Care System. If I need surgery now I just call and make an appointment and get it done. With a NHC system I would be on a waiting list for months. I prefer to pay my own way and my taxes to boot.



reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 08:22 AM by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by Solarskye


That's where you massively miss the point. Suregeries that aren't life threatening might get delayed, and you would still have access to private health care to get it done. we have the best of both worlds. Any life threatenting surgery gets done immediately.

My mother got diagnosed with breast cancer, and within one week she had it removed. In fact her treatment was a new one removing only the sentinel node and not all the nodes in her arm. You can't get better than that. She also had FREE, let me restate that FREE screening for it. I want to emphasis again she would not have known she had it without FREE screening. I rarely capitalise things in my posts but i want to make it clear.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 08:45 AM by mybigunit
reply to post by BlackOps719


Great post my friend. I hear a lot of people say that we (US) have the best health care in the world Ive heard it at least 20x in this thread. That is a myth. You people have to get over America is the greatest nation in the world bid because we are not anymore and not even close.

Our education is down and WAYYY down.

We are not a creditor nation we are a debtor nation

Our dollar is worth crap

Athletics we barely compete with the world (Basketball Dream Team for example)

Our infrastructure like roads and bridges are falling into disarray.

All our manufacturing jobs are over seas


Health care is horrid in most aspects example has anyone been to the emergency room lately? You have to wait 3 to 4 hours in an emergency room to get service. Some people have DIED waiting for emergency room service. How many stories have we heard about products and treatments that are used in places like Europe regularly but the FDA wont approve over here. Why? They dont want the competition with big pharma thats why. Why cant we import drugs from Canada that are made in America for much cheaper prices? Once again competition and big pharma and government hates it.

Oh I can go on and on about how screwed our health care is but I think we as Americans need to understand that things arent as great by far as they used to be. Wake up sheeple and realize that our country is going to hell in a handbasket and we all all just sitting back and letting it. But we cant change anything if we continually feel that we are the best in the world and thats that. No that is not that.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 08:58 AM by grover
reply to post by DimensionalDetective


A star for you though you mispelled Roanoke

Yeah this is my neck of the woods, I live in Roanoke and every time they have something like this or a free dental clinic hundreds and hundreds of people show up and always, no matter how they expand the program, people have to be turned away.

What is especially bad in this area in particular the local governments have defaulted on their social services and for all intent and purpose offer none that are not mandated but the state or federal government. They have pawned it all off on underfunded churches and private charities and if you don't have any insurance you are plain out of luck... and god forbid if you fall behind on your rent or utilities, there is nothing out here to help other than a few dollars once a year from the churches so people have to choose a lot of times between their health and a roof over their heads or power and if they choose their health, odds are they will end up with their belongings tossed out onto the streets since eviction here involves putting your belongings out on the curb... and even though you might have nice things, after the sheriff and his men are done, its trash because they expend no effort to protect your things.

It is what a right wing conservative ideology leads to because that is what dominated in Virginia for as long as I can remember and the few liberal and/or Democratic governors we have have been powerless to change things because the right controls the local governments and the legislature.


[edit on 7-8-2008 by grover]


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 09:04 AM by kosmicjack
Originally posted by manson_322
USA is no doubt already a third world country .....


An excellent and detailed article with supporting links to bolster your point:

Bush's Legacy: Third World America

• Median household incomes are falling
• The number of Americans without health insurance rose by 5.7 percent to 43.6 million individuals.
• The number of people living below the poverty line ($18,392 for a family of four) climbed to 12.1 percent — 34.6 million people.
• Wages make up the majority of income for most American families. As "Downward Mobility," NOW's report on workers and wages illustrates, many American workers are facing corporate efforts to cut pay and benefits, which could lead to more American families struggling to stay out of poverty.
• Twenty percent of the population owns 84% of our private assets, leaving the other 80 percent of the population with 15.6 percent of the assets.
• In 1960, the wealth gap between the top 20 percent and the bottom 20 percent of Americans was thirty fold. Four decades later it’s more than seventy-five-fold.
• Either way -- wealth or income – America is more unequal, economists generally agree, than at any time since the start of the Great Depression…
• And more unequal than any other developed nation today.




reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 10:10 AM by romanmel
reply to post by DimensionalDetective


These photos and this story need to be published by main source news. Presidential candidates need to be discussing this instead of Paris Hilton. We can blow 10 billion dollars a month on Iraq, where we have no business being, but can't take care of the infirm and needy citizens in our own country. Shameful!

Those who have taken the position here in this post that it's too costly and "socialistic" or even "communistic" to care for the least of these my brethren are shameful as well. I hope you never have a situation beyond your control that leaves your children at death's door because you can't afford care for them. Be careful when you think you stand, lest you fall.

This nation has strayed far away from the path of compassion for the needy I recall used to be our heritage. Under the current neo-con doctrine of "look out for number one, and all others be damned", has brcome our new heritage. A national creed of this type will and certainly is reaping its just recompense. God save us.


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 10:30 AM by dontreadonme
reply to post by romanmel


Do you think it's fair to say that people who don't want the government to take our money (taxes) and give it back to us (NHS), minus whatever they decide to keep are uncompassionate? You don't know how we spend our time or our money. Give me a break. The same people that complain about the cost of the War on Terror have no problem with the COMPLETE disaster that is the War on Poverty. We have been fighting that one for over 40 years and to hear them tell it, we've accomplished nothing. They're right of course. But how many billions of dollars have went to this just cause? And you want the same government that does such a bang up jop taking care of the poor, to take care of all of the rest of us too. If FEDGOV did a good job defeating poverty, we wouldn't need them to provide healthcare now would we?

Not paying for Health Insurance is a choice. I don't know when not having it became a violation of your human rights. Read the report from DOL in my previous post. In 2005 the American "family" spent 5.7% of its income on healthcare. They spent 5.1% on ENTERTAINMENT. I don't see from where all of this hysteria is coming.

ERic


reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 10:42 AM by romanmel
reply to post by dontreadonme


I would venture to guess you, as is the case with most, don't pay for the majority of your health care costs out of your own pocket. Most are quite comfortable being a burden to their employers for the majority cost of their coverage. Does this make a more honorable system? You are still a burden to a third party. If you truely believe what you say, you'd tell your employer no on health care coverage and purchase it privately with your own funds thus freeing your employer of this burden. Not likely to catch on, I'd surmise.
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