Originally posted by amazed
Corporations are able to buy politicians through our campaign finance system and control the media to convince people that corporate health care is
democratic, represents freedom, and is the most efficient system for delivering health care.
Agreed. At the turn of the twentieth century, the wealthy people of this country chose a medical system that was expensive. They also chose to force
everyone to use this medical system. Any medical school that did not teach the German system was shut down. There are very few medical schools in this
country which focus on holistc and preventative medicine which could keep people from needing expensive medical care.
Originally posted by amazed
If those of you that are so cold hearted and fearfully hanging on to your wallets would read my earlier posting on why we do not have universal
healthcare and why we should have universal health care. You will run across a few FACTS.
I think many people are genuinly afraid that changing our health care system will make it even more dangerous. Not that it is not already too
dangerous for the poor.
Originally posted by amazed
One of those being universal health care would save 100 to 200 Billion dollars per year. Again 100 to 200 BILLION dollars per year.
MEANING, your pockets would be safer than they are now.
Beaurocrats would be necessary and they have a nasty tendency to pad their own wallets. Of course they would cut out the insurance agents. People who
try to sue beaurocrats in the education system are laughed at.
Originally posted by amazed
Single payer universal health care costs would be lower than the current US system due to lower administrative costs. The United States spends 50 to
100% more on administration than single payer systems.
Greed and corruption would ruin your system.
Originally posted by amazed
Around 30% of Americans have problem accessing health care due to payment problems or access to care, far more than any other industrialized
country.
I disaggree Americans can always get good health care. It's just that without good insurance it can bankrupt you. People in England are sometimes
told no if they need expensive care.
Originally posted by amazed
There would be free choice of health care providers under a single payer universal health care system, unlike our current managed care system in which
people are forced to see providers on the insurer’s panel to obtain medical benefits.
Single payer, universal health care administered by a state public health system would be much more democratic and much less intrusive than our
current system.
This would only be true if the people who were subject to this system were allowed to elect those who make the decisions as to which medical
treatments will be allowed. Even so ,politicians can be bought, so patients would not necessarily be safe from corruption.
Originally posted by amazed
Single payer universal health care is not socialized medicine. It is health care payment system, not a health care delivery system. Health care
providers would be in fee for service practice, and would not be employees of the government, which would be socialized medicine.
Single payer health care is not socialized medicine, any more than the public funding of education is socialized education, or the public funding of
the defense industry is socialized defense.
Our public schools are definitely socialist organizations.
Consumer system based on a sliding scale where the poor pay nothing and everyone is allowed to choose the healer they want might help improve our
healthcare system. The FDA should be abolished because they make affordable medical treatments unavailable forcing health consumers to rely on
expensive pharmacuetical drugs.
Originally posted by amazed
Like I said before, sheeples.. those of you who don't understand the universal health care system and cry "my wallet", your sheeples, because the
system we have now is far more expensive and less efficient than a universal health care system. And it is a less compassionate me me me coorporate
system.
That is not my beef with doing away with the corporate system of healthcare. My beef is that health consumers might be given even fewer health care
choices than they already have. I would like to see a return to the system we had at the turn of the twentieth century where people chose the healer
and many healers were not trained in the German method.
Originally posted by amazed
You would pay out less than we do now for medicare/medicaid etc.
This might not be such a good thing for poor people.
[edit on 8-8-2008 by eradown]
It's fact that unicare is not the solution. Speak to elderly, and those who like
preventative health care, and they'll agree that socialized health care is more like social darwinism. I thought liberal philosophy as above that?
What we need, is a smarter base of people who understand how to save money, spend money, and act with some personal virtue at some point in their life
without worrying about what the government can do for them. That is why there is a U.S...at one point, slaves or not, there was a country-wide
philosophy espousing limited government so that each indiidual could best provide for their lives. Year by year that attitude has dwindled, and so
have real American principles, hence why anything "socialized" is even a topic. 
