Originally posted by amazed



Personally I did not contract with this insurance company. You again did not read what I wrote did you? We had insurance through "my husbands employment".

This right here shows your complete ignorance on this matter, and it proves there is no need for further debate.

You signed a POLICY. If you personally didn't, your husband did, and is guilty of forging your signature on said policy. They dont just say "oh, hey by the way, you have insurance now, heres your card". YOU physically signed a policy (aka a CONTRACT).

Yes, it was their fault, as they contracted drs and hospitals far away from their "customer base".

From all customers, or just you, the almighty important one? They are a business, hence they look for the best price. No one FORCED you to retain the insurance offered by your husbands employer. You were free to seek other insurance plans with doctors close to your home. Again, you and your husband CHOSE to sign a policy with this company.

The "COURT" system ended up forcing this insurance company to pay for hundreds of customers that they had frauded.

The word is defrauded, not "frauded".

It is obvious to me that you have a problem with thinking for yourself, and can only regurgitate what supports a faulty system. I will have no further discourse with a knee jerk personality who cannot do their own research. I hope that one day, you never need the assistance of your fellow man.

It's obvious to me that you aren't an educated person, and are most likely a "stay at home wife" given your ignorance of very common life occurrences such as signing things like an insurance policy. Your claim that you didnt contract with them proves that.

Originally posted by amazed
Personally I did not contract with this insurance company. You again did not read what I wrote did you? We had insurance through "my husbands employment". Yes, it was their fault, as they contracted drs and hospitals far away from their "customer base".

If you truly had "no contract" personally with said insurance company, then they wouldn't have paid one cent regarding your child's birth and you would be on the hook for 100% of the bill. Most companies do not work on handshake deals and tend to appreciate the legallity of written, signed, and notarized contracts before they perform any duties under said agreements.

Originally posted by amazed
Corporations are able to buy politicians through our campaign finance system and control the media to convince people that corporate health care is democratic, represents freedom, and is the most efficient system for delivering health care.

Agreed. At the turn of the twentieth century, the wealthy people of this country chose a medical system that was expensive. They also chose to force everyone to use this medical system. Any medical school that did not teach the German system was shut down. There are very few medical schools in this country which focus on holistc and preventative medicine which could keep people from needing expensive medical care.

Originally posted by amazed
If those of you that are so cold hearted and fearfully hanging on to your wallets would read my earlier posting on why we do not have universal healthcare and why we should have universal health care. You will run across a few FACTS.

I think many people are genuinly afraid that changing our health care system will make it even more dangerous. Not that it is not already too dangerous for the poor.

Originally posted by amazed
One of those being universal health care would save 100 to 200 Billion dollars per year. Again 100 to 200 BILLION dollars per year.

MEANING, your pockets would be safer than they are now.

Beaurocrats would be necessary and they have a nasty tendency to pad their own wallets. Of course they would cut out the insurance agents. People who try to sue beaurocrats in the education system are laughed at.

Originally posted by amazed
Single payer universal health care costs would be lower than the current US system due to lower administrative costs. The United States spends 50 to 100% more on administration than single payer systems.

Greed and corruption would ruin your system.

Originally posted by amazed
Around 30% of Americans have problem accessing health care due to payment problems or access to care, far more than any other industrialized country.

I disaggree Americans can always get good health care. It's just that without good insurance it can bankrupt you. People in England are sometimes told no if they need expensive care.

Originally posted by amazed
There would be free choice of health care providers under a single payer universal health care system, unlike our current managed care system in which people are forced to see providers on the insurer’s panel to obtain medical benefits.


Single payer, universal health care administered by a state public health system would be much more democratic and much less intrusive than our current system.

This would only be true if the people who were subject to this system were allowed to elect those who make the decisions as to which medical treatments will be allowed. Even so ,politicians can be bought, so patients would not necessarily be safe from corruption.

Originally posted by amazed
Single payer universal health care is not socialized medicine. It is health care payment system, not a health care delivery system. Health care providers would be in fee for service practice, and would not be employees of the government, which would be socialized medicine.

Single payer health care is not socialized medicine, any more than the public funding of education is socialized education, or the public funding of the defense industry is socialized defense.

Our public schools are definitely socialist organizations.

Consumer system based on a sliding scale where the poor pay nothing and everyone is allowed to choose the healer they want might help improve our healthcare system. The FDA should be abolished because they make affordable medical treatments unavailable forcing health consumers to rely on expensive pharmacuetical drugs.

Originally posted by amazed
Like I said before, sheeples.. those of you who don't understand the universal health care system and cry "my wallet", your sheeples, because the system we have now is far more expensive and less efficient than a universal health care system. And it is a less compassionate me me me coorporate system.

That is not my beef with doing away with the corporate system of healthcare. My beef is that health consumers might be given even fewer health care choices than they already have. I would like to see a return to the system we had at the turn of the twentieth century where people chose the healer and many healers were not trained in the German method.

Originally posted by amazed
You would pay out less than we do now for medicare/medicaid etc.

This might not be such a good thing for poor people.







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Originally posted by Wotan
NOW do you see why a National Health Service like we have in the UK is needed?

That link just proves my point to why Socialised medicine is a superior product.

I'm sorry Wotan, but the U.S. broke off for a reason It's fact that unicare is not the solution. Speak to elderly, and those who like preventative health care, and they'll agree that socialized health care is more like social darwinism. I thought liberal philosophy as above that? What we need, is a smarter base of people who understand how to save money, spend money, and act with some personal virtue at some point in their life without worrying about what the government can do for them. That is why there is a U.S...at one point, slaves or not, there was a country-wide philosophy espousing limited government so that each indiidual could best provide for their lives. Year by year that attitude has dwindled, and so have real American principles, hence why anything "socialized" is even a topic.

Well, this is the South. Land of the overweight. The white trash. The religious zealots. The homophobes. The hicks. The Old Testament junkies. The warmongers. The Fox News viewers.

So all together now...A-P-A-T-H-Y!!!

Here are some stats to ponder













Just food for thought.

Correct me if i am wrong but if you are an illegal cant you just walk into a hospital and get medical services and not have to worry about a credit status if you can not pay?

wouldn't that be one of the biggest burdens.

Originally posted by drwizardphd
This is no joke, we have a healthcare crisis in this country.

It is absolutely laughable that our government is willing to spend billions profiteering off of an illegal war but will not front a few billion to its own citizens.

Until we figure out a way to get healthcare to everybody, America will be a second-rate nation. [/quote

Health care, welfare and retirement are NOT the responsibility of the government. We need to get back to the understanding of this. These are YOUR responsibility.

I hear on this site all the time about how the government is taking over in this country, then you say they need to provide all this support. You can't have it both ways.

The job of the FEDERAL Government is to provide defense and a law system, that’s it.

Also to truly understand this we would need to take a look at these people. How many of these people have big screen TVs, boats, RVs and other such "fun" items? I would bet a good part of them do.
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Originally posted by Scorched Earth


Why should the wealthy pay a higher percentage than anyone else?

Simply because someone can afford something doesn't mean they should be forced to pay more.

A few wealthy families used their wealth to put in place a system which is heavily based on Eugenics and guarantees that many poor people and middle class people will die bankrupt if they ever become sick. Disciplines that specialized in holistic and preventative care were shut down by the Government. The super rich benefit by the labor poorer people and middle class people provide. The poor and the middle class need to be able to afford good healers not just any old slop that a government beaurocrat or some insurance agent gives them. The super wealthy act like they will be immune when the next plague hits so they do not care if poor people and the middle class are weakened by lack of quality health care. Their actions will result in tragic consequences for everyone themselves included.

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Putting the government in charge of Americans' healthcare is like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.

The eugenics program we had in this country 100 years ago has not gone away. It's gone underground. It's now called "health insurance".