That is pitiful that in the nation of the free and plenty we have to see people struggling to have a doctor at their disposal.

Then by the time this people see a doctor because some advance diseases they become a burden to the tax payer because is too late and in many instances health problems could have been prevented with proper routine care.

This is no joke, we have a healthcare crisis in this country.

It is absolutely laughable that our government is willing to spend billions profiteering off of an illegal war but will not front a few billion to its own citizens.

Until we figure out a way to get healthcare to everybody, America will be a second-rate nation.

The reality has always been it costs more money percentage wise to be mean and cruel with policies than to look after your own. Canada, which has an ok health system, yes, there are a few better, non-the-less the cost of our medicare, percentage wise is less than what the US government spends percentage wise. Poor struggling parents, single mothers working and not-working all need to be boosted, and the shocking reality is, foster care costs 40,000 dollars per child (Canadian dollars, but there must be some considerable cost in US as well).
The list goes on and on, when you compare crime and justice costs. But then, relying on the federal reserve instead of having a national bank is very counterproductive to providing dignity for citizens.

NOW do you see why a National Health Service like we have in the UK is needed?

That link just proves my point to why Socialised medicine is a superior product.

Originally posted by Rook1545
Careful, people will start yelling from the rooftops about the communists and their socialized medicine taking away their hard earned dollars.

You are right, but that mentality is one that takes propaganda over the needs of fellow human beings in this nation.

People do not want to deny ignorance

We are humans and we will get sick at some point in our life time.

What the screamers of communist and socialized health care do not understand is that by the time people with not medical care have no choice but to see a doctor more often than not their medical problems are already chronic, still becoming a burden on the tax payer no matter what and with more costly consequences.

I would like to point out that the way the US Healthcare sytem works is very much in the minority in the whole of the western world.

The WHOLE of the European Union (27 countries I think at last count) have a form of socialised healthcare system in place in one form or another.

Healthcare SHOULD NEVER be about money. It should be about improving the health of EVERYONE who is a citizen of that country regardless of individual wealth and status.

How can a country be regarded as civilised and be a world leader if it lets its citizens down in regards to their health and well-being?

You harp on about paying loads of taxes for a National Health System. Well, you already pay out for medical insurance .... just switch the provider. I would bet it would be cheaper in the long run.

I would rather pay my ''health taxes'' to the Government to spend on healthcare than a Privately-owned health provider who could stop my treatment at any time because i havent acrued enough credits or I dont have the right disease or that it is too expensive or because they have raised the premium again.

A National Health Service is nothing to be fearful about ......... try it.

I know that the UK NHS isnt perfect, hell I should know, I work in it (as a Nurse), but at least we dont have huge queues of people wanting some treatment.

BTW: I am not a Communist, I am a card carrying member of the Conservative Party.

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I'm not going to bring the ugly S or C words inot this, but my cup overflows with objections when I imagine our current government, with its ignoble organizational skills, managing my health care.

Originally posted by Toadmund
Why is it that anything that the government can do to benefit their citizens is always shot down by the well to do as 'socialism' or 'communism'.

America was not founded so that it could take care of the sick and the weak. America was founded so that the strong could dominate the weak, instead of killing each other in bloody drawn out conflicts.

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Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by Toadmund
Why is it that anything that the government can do to benefit their citizens is always shot down by the well to do as 'socialism' or 'communism'.

America was not founded so that it could take care of it's citizens. America was founded so that the strong could dominate the weak, instead of killing each other in bloody drawn out conflicts.


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What kind of society is that?

You bunch of selfish arrogant bastards.

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by Toadmund
Why is it that anything that the government can do to benefit their citizens is always shot down by the well to do as 'socialism' or 'communism'.

America was not founded so that it could take care of the sick and the weak. America was founded so that the strong could dominate the weak, instead of killing each other in bloody drawn out conflicts.

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Then maybe America got it wrong.

I don't want to believe that, but it gets harder everyday to deny it.

A veterinarian provide great medical services to an animal, including surgery, for something in the range of a few hundred to a couple thousand dollars. A human has the same basic biology but it costs, easily, ten times more for care, even without a hospital stay. It's all because of liability and all the legal overhead that makes costs out of control.

Some major changes need to happen. Controlling costs would help bring down rates for insurance, and making coverage more like auto-insurance, with more competition.

Government can provide regulations and incentives, but as far as socialized medicine, government does not do anything particularly well. I sure do not want to trust my health to them.

I'd like to know what system was used to check each person in line to ensure they didn't actually have health insurance. Seems like hot button issues like this always attract people with agendas as well as those recruited by said agenda driven people. It certainly wouldn't surprise me to learn that many there were bussed in or arrainged to be there by the socialized health care proponents here purely to make it as big a spectacle for the media as possible.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
It certainly wouldn't surprise me to learn that many there were bussed in or arrainged to be there by the socialized health care proponents here purely to make it as big a spectacle for the media as possible.

There's some shills in that picture for sure.

Originally posted by smokingmonkey

Government can provide regulations and incentives, but as far as socialized medicine, government does not do anything particularly well. I sure do not want to trust my health to them.

This is what I am talking about. I don't get this line of thought. Like another poster said, you are simply switching insurance providers. Instead of your doctor billing you, he bills the government. There would be no restrictions on hospitals, doctors, any of that. No more needing to save up for the MRI or CAT scan if your provider didn't cover it. You would still pay your premiums, but they would be much lower and in the form of taxes. The upside is that you have no worries about the premiums going up. I really fail to see why this is such a bad thing.