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reply posted on 6-8-2008 @ 07:58 PM by Demandred
reply to post by euclid



who decides whats nonsense and whats not?

we dont have to all agree on everything, there are people who come here who genuinley believe they have seen something out of the ordinary is it right to condem them too for misinterpreting something or is it better counter their claim with reason and logic if no evidence can be found either for or against

what if its someone with a mental illness who genuinley believes what they are posting? its quite possible alittle logic may help to calm them if the claim was refuted properly.

truth is stranger than fiction and none of us here truley understands everything that is going on in the world.


reply posted on 6-8-2008 @ 08:16 PM by euclid
Easy we do. With the flag and flop like the post above mentions. If it gets flags it stays where it is.... if it gets flops it ends up in a temporary bucket so a moderator can put it into the proper bucket i.e. -gray area, skunk works, comic relief. Simple..... Well actually not too simple. But I should add that it would need to be dynamic so that if some thread becomes more flagged it could be pulled out of the BS buckets.

The simplicity of implementing it depends upon the database architecture and the codebase of the BBS. So unless ATS initial DB and application design was architected to use a very modular developement workflow they may some work to do. But just my guess from 13 years as an information systems architect..... It would be something that should take about a month to implement at worst and 2 weeks at best; and that is if they have the optimum architecture. If it is something other than what I think it is, or should be, then it would take longer.

-Euclid

Originally posted by Demandred
reply to
post by euclid



who decides whats nonsense and whats not?

we dont have to all agree on everything, there are people who come here who genuinley believe they have seen something out of the ordinary is it right to condem them too for misinterpreting something or is it better counter their claim with reason and logic if no evidence can be found either for or against

what if its someone with a mental illness who genuinley believes what they are posting? its quite possible alittle logic may help to calm them if the claim was refuted properly.

truth is stranger than fiction and none of us here truley understands everything that is going on in the world.



[edit on 6-8-2008 by euclid]


reply posted on 6-8-2008 @ 08:21 PM by Demandred
reply to post by euclid



probably one of the better ideas, and i think it would seriously begin to raise the quality of ATS. latley its been a little annoying with some of the things ive been reading a flop button would have been very handy.

the more i think about it the more i like it

what happens if it gets an even amount of flags and flops?

[edit on 6-8-2008 by Demandred]



reply posted on 6-8-2008 @ 08:22 PM by InfaRedMan
reply to post by fatdeeman



Hi fatdeeman,

I was blown away by your very eloquent post! I couldn't have made those points any more clearer myself. I actually read it twice - finding myself constantly nodding my head and giggling going "yep.....yep....yep".

Thankyou for your quality contribution. It is very much appreciated!

IRM


reply posted on 6-8-2008 @ 08:35 PM by InfaRedMan
Originally posted by internos
Too bad that an interstellar organization like the Galactical federation of light is UNABLE to provide us some proof of their existence: no, they do prefer to share their message with some girl who makes Reiki.

"commander, we are approaching Earth, what now?: a mass landing on all the capitols?"

"mnaahhh: lets contact this girl, she will open the doors on this unknown world: she will speak for us because despite we are the galactic federation of light, we are unable to communicate with them, we need to channel someone, and this person is SPECIAL: yes, let's do so: all the rest of mankind will wait"

Because she's special, right? While we are a bunch of mere mortals, we have to wait the announcement of this person, of the new Messiah. Is this correct?


OMG! Internos!

I spilled my coffee everywhere... my screen is a mess! That's the funniest thing I've read in a while. A chuckle is always a great way to start my day! Thank you for what is actually a very insightful post.

And hell yeah, ain't it kinda funny indeed. I went to that Reiki website you posted on page one. At least she has some taste in web design... simple but effective...

Perhaps she channeled the HTML & CSS onto the page as well. Surely a minor task after becoming a conduit for the Galactic Federation of Light! Wonders will never cease!

Awesome Post Internos (as always)

IRM





Edit To Add:

reply to
post by Fulcrum29



Fulcrum, I completely agree with everything you have said! Thank you for a valuable contribution to the thread.



Though I would love to reply to you all, I am at work now and very busy for a little while... cleaning coffee off my screen for one... lol ... but I will be back later. I thank you all from the bottom of my heart for your fantastic thoughts and contributions to the thread. Your all valuable in your own way! I feel like we've made a bit of headway here in the last 24 hours and all thanks to you guys n gals!

All the best and speak to you all later! x

IRM

[edit on 6/8/08 by InfaRedMan]


reply posted on 6-8-2008 @ 09:10 PM by Blaine91555
To understand the Galactic Federation of Light, click on the link just below -
GFL money generation site.

Not hard to understand really. It is an attempt to start a pseudo-religion and use it to generate an income. Follow the money is not a dumb old adage, but is a wise saying. Simply follow the money to understand this.

Click on some of the areas of that site and you will find things to buy on nearly every page. They also are trying to attract people who feel left out -
Source page from GFL Site.
Starseeds are individuals who feel excitement and longing upon learning that they might have originated from another world. They experience the aloneness and separateness that is the human condition, but also have the sense of being foreigners on this planet. They find the behavior and motives of our society puzzling and illogical.


They are forming a type of church by making people feel as though they are contributing to something important, that they have special knowledge or powers and by giving them a community.
Source from GFL Site.
PAGs are spiritually committed defenders of the Earth's environment (Gaia's physical essence). They are to be Mother Earth's informed and trusted champions...
...We are on the edge of developing a new era of spirituality.
... Planetary Activation Groups are the vehicle to assist Earth's humanity during this period of consciousness transformation.


It is an old familiar game that has played out many times in the past. Find peoples weaknesses, exploit them and enjoy a life of leisure on the generated income.

The problem your going to have in the premise of this thread is those who have been duped see themselves as victims of some sort of discrimination when in fact they have already been victimized and in essence brainwashed.

These groups always seem to prey on the young and in particular young adults unprepared emotionally. They seek out insecure people who feel helpless and left out and exploit their pocket books. They make them feel like the money they spend on books, tapes, pins, shirts or whatever is being peddled is well spent as they are doing an important service for humanity justifying the expense.

As to the other - I just saw a UFO shine a beam on Obama's head and it revealed to me a giant mothership will be here any minute - threads, they will probably continue to be a fact of life. To have an open forum you can not restrict things to only what one group of people want to see as opposed to others. It is like Cable TV in that nobody is forced to read any thread and can simply not click on that channel. Instead click the ones you are interested in. People are always hollering for freedom of speech as long as it is their speech and censor the things they don't agree with.

Educate people with your posts about this nonsense, but don't become a lynch mob who wants to control the board by censoring the things you don't want to read. These threads are not like a hoax that can be identified, but they can be ignored quite easily. Don't post in them, ignore them and they will go away, just like my Wifes cats do



reply posted on 6-8-2008 @ 09:56 PM by Cyberbian
I had an idea which would require software modification to implement but it would improve this site, so here the idea is offered freely. There should be rings of verity. People of ranked verity would initiate others into those rings. A user mod would be allowed to post only within his highest ring or lower. Meaning that wilder less constrained postings would be for the most part be done in the lower rings. If someone of higer verity wanted to be wild they could post in the lower rings.

The benefit is that the higher the ring the more exclusive and vetted the contributors would be. There would be a very pure and committed ring at the top. The number of contributers would be fewer, but aspiration would inspire others to be more compliant with guidelines.

This may sound elitist at first but everyone would enjoy the benefit of really great clean threads on the better subjects, and there could be parallel threads of lower quality in a lower ring.

Everyone would be able to read, but not every one could post to the higher rings.

The Points system could be used as the vetting mechanism. Get points, reach a new ring.

A variation on this would spin the same thread onto multiple rings so that a lower ring would be open to all, with all the higer ring entrys showing in the higer and lower ring, but only the higer ring entrys in the higher ring.
The only limitation with this concept is that the higher ring people are blind to the lower ring people's contributions, and if you did not understand that you might think you were being ignored.

I hope you don't consider this off topic. I think it is not.

[edit on 6-8-2008 by Cyberbian]

[edit on 6-8-2008 by Cyberbian]



reply posted on 7-8-2008 @ 12:01 AM by euclid
Hmmmm..... you would have to throw a monkey wrench in the machine wouldn't you

Logically I would think it would stay were it is when it receives the equalizing flag or flop. So if it were in the UFO section, and it obviously starts with 0 flags and 0 flops, as it progresses it gets 10 flags and then a while later it gets 10 flops. It would stay where it is. But as soon as it got the 11th flop then it would be moved to the temp bucket for proper BS classifcation by a mod.

There would/could also need to be a stored procedure that would need to be kicked off at intervals during the day to move flopped threads to the temp bucket because it shouldn't be something that happens dynamically now that I think about it a little more. There would be a stored proc that would go through all the active threads and identify the flag to flop count for each one and move them accordingly. It would actually be kinda easy if they have an app server that looks hueristically at the content of a thread, kind of the same way google does and kind of the same way an OCR app works. It looks at the words, has a dictionary of sorts to understand the context of what the OP is about and correlates that to the content of the replies. It then looks at the flag to flop count. If it sees a bunch of keyword indicators like GFL, galactic federation, nonsense, etc it would know that thread would go to the comic relief bucket if it had a more flops than flags.

It would be kinda neat.

-Euclid
Originally posted by Demandred
reply to
post by euclid



probably one of the better ideas, and i think it would seriously begin to raise the quality of ATS. latley its been a little annoying with some of the things ive been reading a flop button would have been very handy.

the more i think about it the more i like it

what happens if it gets an even amount of flags and flops?

[edit on 6-8-2008 by Demandred]


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