So why seed when there are no clouds about? This makes no sense, people arent viewing the seeding of clouds... they see perfect blue skies, unmarked planes not only flying in formations, but also making 180 degrees u-turns, creating grid-like patterns overhead, sometimes outside permitted airspace, leaving behind "Contrails" dispersing into clouds lingering about for hours creating a haze that lasts for days.

Now coming from South Africa, I know that contrails never formed there back when I was a kid... Was the air to hot/cold/humid/Dry, I dunno?. What I do know, is what I saw since the age of 4! I loved lying on the grass looking up at the clouds and planes passing overhead since the late 70's.

There are only a handfull of airports in Southern Africa, & no direct routes Over SA from South America to India or Australia, and suddenly these so called grid like contrails start popping up in the early 2000's criss-crossing the skies. But more weirdly from east to west and visa versa?

If I'm not mistaken, thats quite a few years after most reports started in the Northen hemisphere. So these same jet engines (so-called Contrail culprits) that came into use left contrails in the UK and States' skies in the 90's to arrive in South Africa and leave nothing.

But a few years later (7 yrs to be exact) these same jet engines decide South africa's skies can now also get some contrails....huh?

Now I'm not saying I believe or that I don't.... but time difference anomolies in their appearances in the 1st world and 3rd world countries skies, strikes me as peculiarly odd!! These are the same airbuses and same jet-engines after-all!!

Also the white webbing debris phenomenon only started appearing in South Africa in the early 2000's.

If there is any truth in it, it sure aint for our protection or our good. If the government can cripple us with taxes, they sure as hell will boast protecting us at a huge cost!

I, for one know:
- The skies arn't the same
- The clouds arn't the same
- That contrail definitions have conveniently evolved to explain this new phenomenon
- Even the contrail emitting planes are flying ever higher (To escape proper identification I suppose)

As for debunking "Chemtrails" for good, ....I don't think so.

My eye's don't lie.... and thats without asking an explanation on the years time difference in occurrence in africa and the rest of the globe.

That actually made me wonder, when last has anyone seen proper grid-like contrails??

If they were natural occurences, why have they recently dissappeared?

Or have the "Chemtrail" culprits caught on and decided in making them less obvious?

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A couple of normal logical reasons for that.

1. Air travel has grown significantly in the last three decades. Which also means more aircraft flying to South Africa or over South Africa.
2. I believe it was Boeing that said it has new GE engines which are far more efficient than the older model of engines, which in turn burns fuel more thoroughly and creates more H2O in its exhaust, creating more contrails.
3. New airlines that take new routes may also be a reason.
4. Military air traffic.

files.abovetopsecret.com...[1].jpg
So here is a photo of what is actually two jet aircraft over the city of Boise.
The odd thing is that one of the jets was a very large military aircraft and the other(which did not show up on the cellphone camera photo) is a much smaller one. This was unusual because the jets were flying in a fairly close formation, the smaller one was just behind and below the larger of the two. The smaller one produced no visible exhaust signature but the large one produced a massive cloud as it passed by.
Any thought or opinions would be appreciated.
Keep in mind that I am the one that said just a few days ago that there was no such thing as chemtrails.
I cant seem to get the picture to upload HELP!!

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You are seeing a "controlled study" - a test of a Lidar defense system.

This is a part of the NATO Aerosolized Defense Grid. This grid utilizes Lidar and high powered radar in order to detect and eliminate threats. HAARP is used to 'move' by attraction the heavy metal particulate that has been deployed into the atmosphere.

The dispersed particulate acts as a medium in which airborne objects are more readily detectable (even a stealth aircraft will end up coated in this radar reflective metal and thus will lose it's primary means of defense...stealth). Threats can then be more easily destroyed/disabled by the offensive capabilities inherent within the system.

As it is a defense system, and an expensive one at that, the operations occur over the areas most vulnerable to soviet attack - the ones populated by Humans and their vital industry.

It really is for our own good
Just enjoy inhaling those toxic metals and know that you are making a sacrifice for the greater good

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Do you have any proof of this? Or is this just "I heard from a guy, who heard from another guy, who heard from his cousin's half-brother, twice removed, girlfriend's father."?

Frankly, if something like this is going on, it would be common knowledge. but if its "secret" then why are you talking about it?

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"Frankly, if something like this is going on, it would be common knowledge"

hahaha, you are joking right?

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Common knowledge in the military that is.

But then again, you cannot even explain to what extent this is going on. After all, we have asked you how many tanker aircraft would be required to do so, and how many we actually have and how can they do all this without anyone noticing? Plus you cant even explain the logistical and traffic nightmare this would cause in the air, for both the AF and the FAA trying to track everything.
Here is one for you:
Is the FAA also in on this completely? Are all radar controllers in the US and world all in on it as well?

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Obviously the flight controllers are, because in the event which I witnessed and tried to get info on the local personnel, while admitting two airframes were indeed in the area where the trails where laid down, did not release any details as to aircraft ID. I remind you this was in portuguese airspace with portuguese personnel, which makes me think this is, at the least, something at the NATO or UN level.

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First of all sorry for my bad English
Now that u mentioned this thing with sunset I got a bit more curious about that phenomenal.
I didn’t saw the connection with chemtrails and lack of sunsets till u brought this up
I remember a few months ago I witnessed some strange thing happened to a sun. It had no glow at all and it was still few hours till sunset. I remember that sun looked more like moon and I could look directly at it without sun glasses or anything. I mean the sun was just like some big peal ball at the sky with no glow at all. Then me and my friends noticed that all city is covered with something like fog in the sky. Of course there was no sunset at the end the sun just despaired from the sky. Guess what, today was a bright sunny day and than we got sprayed again. I was looking at the chemtrails few hours ago and the same thing is happening all over again the city is cowered with some kind of smoke in the air and sun light is completely blocked. Do I need to mention that I live in city with population less than a million so there is no way that is smog. I will call that at least a strange phenomen. Anyway conspiracy or not I m keeping my windows closed