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Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Roosevelt Roberts Jr was on the south side of the Pentagon.
The alleged impact point is on the west side.
He saw the plane immediately AFTER the explosion flying away and banking around.
His 11/30/2001 interview where he explained this is archived at the Library of Congress website and our interview with him where were independently confirmed this with him direct is in the presentation.
There is no explanation for the plane he saw other than a flyover.
jthomas is in desperate denial and trying to play a word game with "far" and "near" side to confuse or downplay Roosevelt's critical account of seeing the silver jet bank around and fly away after the explosion.
The Pentagon is the largest low rise structure on earth.
I've been there.
I've been inside the building and I entered from the south entrance.
Despite 2 years of persistent pressure on CIT to produce eyewitnesses on the far side of the Pentagon, a geographic area encompassing thousands of people no matter what flight path AA77 took, who would have witnessed a flyover had one occurred.
And Craig Ranke, chief CIT evader, cannot come up with one single eyewitness on the far side of the Pentagon. Instead he fakes one who was on the near side of the Pentagon.
Originally posted by Boone 870
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT
This means he could not have watched the plane enter as he stated. He has also claimed since day one that he hit the deck so the obvious conclusion here is that he reacted as anyone would and hit the deck as the plane approached headed right towards him and simply missed the pull up.
Hi Craig. Why are you intentionally misrepresenting what Sean Boger said?
"I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building."
"Sean does in fact state that he watched the plane enter the building which would seem to be hard to deny coming from someone who watches aircraft for a living and saw the plane approach but of course the CMH failed to ask him any specific questions as to where he saw the plane.
Naturally when we spoke with Sean in order to get these details he corroborated all the other witnesses by specifically and definitively placing the plane banking on the north side of the gas station.
This means he could not have watched the plane enter as he stated."
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Originally posted by jthomas
CIT is likely to close. Rumor is that since CIT was "taken to the cleaners" over on JREF, specifically in this post:
forums.randi.org...
that Craig Ranke is contemplating giving up the ruse. Apparently, Aldo is furious.
Stay tuned.
Aldo isn't the least bit "furious"
Originally posted by GhostR1der
Thanks to CIT/Craig for your time, money and effort investigating this. Beautifully done and well planned. This is the sort of stuff the movement needs.
No.
Did you WATCH the presentation and LISTEN to our interview with Sean?
Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
Originally posted by Boone 870
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT
Did you WATCH the presentation and LISTEN to our interview with Sean?
No.
Did he change his statement and claim that he didn't witness the aircraft impact the side of the Pentagon?
That's a rhetorical question, you don't have to answer it.
He said that he witnessed it, you said that he couldn't have. Why are you misrepresenting what he says?
What about the people on the east side of the Pentagon that didn't see the approach? Did the NWO flip on the Klingon cloaking device? How about the controller in Reagan National Tower, he was 1 mile away from the Pentagon watching Flight 77 as it approached, how did he miss the flyover?
To the people saying 'why did everyone not see the flyover'.. well when a big damn explosion happens and debris goes everywhere on a national landmark, do you think they'll be looking for a plane which shouldn't exist going by rational initial judgement...? Nope.
Not according to CIT. There's no possible way for witnesses to confuse a twin-engine jetliner with a four engine, propeller driven C-130.
The C130 is a great way to explain away the plane if there were more accounts of it overflying
Originally posted by emsed1
Notice I am not challenging the 'smoking gun video' here... just offering my own viewpoint.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by Reheat
Psssst.....
CIT does not have a flight path.
We merely report what the witnesses say.
They report a relatively slow bank north of the gas station.
This evidence has nothing to do with CIT so stop blaming us.
Originally posted by Boone 870
Not according to CIT. There's no possible way for witnesses to confuse a twin-engine jetliner with a four engine, propeller driven C-130.
Making deceptive false comments regarding evidence your have not even reviewed is not a very scientific approach.
Originally posted by Boone 870
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT
Making deceptive false comments regarding evidence your have not even reviewed is not a very scientific approach.
Does he still claim that the Airliner impacted the Pentagon?
Yes or no?
Originally posted by emsed1
Why is it being faked?