When Obama was selected President, this was the death knoll of the US of A. He's worse than the Shrub and Darth Cheney combined. Folks are blaming the Republicrats for the current economic situation instead of blaming themselves for being sheeople and actually voting for butt-clowns like McCain and Obama. Do you really think folks in well armed states like Texas, Arizona and Florida which have much lower violent crime rates than Chicago and Washington DC are going to pay attention to un-Constitutional laws banning guns? We're heading for a civil war between the Socialist Northeastern States, DC and California vs. Texas and most of the South and West of the US.

On top of believing that banning guns is total nonsense, I find it scary how many people from the US are so ill informed about gun laws in this country. First off, the laws vary from state to state. For instance, what is totally legal in Texas or Pennsylvania may get you thrown in prison in New York. Some states make it very easy for a citizen in good standing to carry a firearm on their person, some states completely ban it. For instance, Washington DC was the focus of gun laws, where they outright banned handguns, even in the home, yet DC has some of the highest gun crime in the country.

Anyway, in order to purchase a firearm, even in a state where it is fairly simply to do, you still have to at least go through a Federal background check before you receive the firearm. I saw someone post about a 10-15 day wait on handguns. This is not the case in all states. For instance, I could walk into a gun store now, and walk out in about 1/2 hour with a handgun.

There is also too much use of assault/automatic/and semi-automatic being used interchangeably. A semi automatic rifle fires one shot per trigger pull, just like your average deer hunting rifle. "Assault rifle" has largely become a term based on appearance, not on function. An assault rifle is one that has a high rate of automatic fire, there are no semi automatic "assault rifles", no matter how many times the media says there are.

Automatic rifles (the type the military and some police use) are HIGHLY regulated. For instance, I could buy a semi automatic version of the M-16/4 (known as the AR15) for arount $900. If I wanted the fully automatic M16/4 just like the military and police may use, it will probably cost $15-20k just for the gun, then on top of that, I must pay a $200 tax stamp, along with having the local police do an extensive backround check on me, which is much more scrutinizing than the standard check done at a gun dealer.

The use of automatic weapons in crimes in this country is less than 1%, I think it is basically almost 0%


The reason fully automatic weapons are so expensive is because none have been imported/sold for civilian use since 1986, so there is a very limited number of them, which makes the price very very high.

People seem to get the idea that everyone in the US is running around with guns acting like some sort of cowboy, when this is very far from the truth, even in southern states. Heck, a lot of people aren't even aware you can have a permit to carry a handgun.

When I go to the gun range, you know what I see? Is it a bunch of crazed hillbillies just looking to kill someone? Nope, I see businessmen, women, entire families, fathers bonding with sons. Everyone having a good time, smiling, allowing each other to shoot their guns, an overall good time.

Sorry, but "gun culture" just isn't what people want to make it out to be. It's generally just a fun loving bunch of people who share a common bond, and are some of the kindest, friendliest people you will ever meet.

I have seen this culture from many sides in this country, from the northeast, to the south, to the west, all different demographics from trailer parks to 5 million dollar homes, and the people largely remain the same. Just people who enjoy collecting and shooting, and also share a joint belief in the right to self defense.

Criminals don't fit into true american "gun culture"

I believe you are correct. The only publicized crime committed with an automatic weapon was a dirty cop murdering an informant so he couldn't be turned in. There was one other but there isn't public data.

We will see in the very near future, the overturning of assault weapons bans in almost every region including Kommiefornia. There are valid legal challenges that have not been made so far, based on the 'class of weapons' terminology.

It will always be a battle though, to keep the constitution and bill of rights alive.

Originally posted by Kenan
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Just look at UK and their knife crimes.
BTW, fellow gun owners can anyone of you guess what gun is on my avatar?

It looks like the same pistol I own. Is it a Springfield XD 40?

Another case of poorly reported data most likely. Want a good investigation? Research the 30 or so kids and find out their police records. Were they innocents or were they gang banging? That is what needs to be determined. What time of day were these shootings and what section of the city......

Originally posted by sire203

Originally posted by Kenan
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Just look at UK and their knife crimes.
BTW, fellow gun owners can anyone of you guess what gun is on my avatar?

It looks like the same pistol I own. Is it a Springfield XD 40?

Bingo! It's croatian made HS-9 (9mm) but in US it is imported as XD by Springfield Armory.

It looks to be a bit shorter than a 1911.

Is it an all steel upper and lower frame? Scared of the plastic ones myself.

From my cold dead hand OBAMA! Our two choices really suck but this guy is so far out in left field that I cannot believe he has a shot at being our president. At least the Supreme Court ruled in favor of gun ownership. Now these idiots want to dictate what type of weapon you can have.

Originally posted by crgintx
When Obama was selected President, this was the death knoll of the US of A. He's worse than the Shrub and Darth Cheney combined. Folks are blaming the Republicrats for the current economic situation instead of blaming themselves for being sheeople and actually voting for butt-clowns like McCain and Obama. Do you really think folks in well armed states like Texas, Arizona and Florida which have much lower violent crime rates than Chicago and Washington DC are going to pay attention to un-Constitutional laws banning guns? We're heading for a civil war between the Socialist Northeastern States, DC and California vs. Texas and most of the South and West of the US.

Whao there Maynard, I'm in california and sure we have messed up gun laws here.... but it wasn't like that before. Do you know how many people handed in their semi-automatic weapons when the dilbert state assembly passed the ban on "military style" weapons.... 5000 idiots turned in some weapon but most of them weren't even the AR15, AK's, and SKS rifiles that were banned. The state estimates that several MILLION banned weapons are still in the hands of us who remember when the California Republic was the Golden State... not what it has turned into now..... the people's democratic socialists republic of kalifornia.

And don't think we'll be fighting you guys.... all of us will be fighting the common enemy. It isn't going to be a repeat of the Civil War.... and the states shouldn't divide themselves because that is exactly what the NWO wants to happen. That's how the NWO was able to get what they wanted out of the Civil War.... they divided us into the north and south and look what it got us.... A strong centralized federal government. WHich is exactly what the Founding Fathers DID NOT WANT!!!!! if we do that again then the US is gone for good and everyone loses.

WAKE UP!!!! MAN!!!

Fight the NWO not ourselves!

-Euclid

I think people forget that most the idiot anti-gun californians are in the major cities, especially San Francisco. In the rural areas of California, the people are very different. Heck, go to Austin and parts of Dallas and you will find the same clowns.

Originally posted by TheStarMan
I think people forget that most the idiot anti-gun californians are in the major cities, especially San Francisco. In the rural areas of California, the people are very different. Heck, go to Austin and parts of Dallas and you will find the same clowns.

No offense friend, we love the people but despise the tyranny. As a matter of fact I like most of the Russian,Chinese, and other communist people I have ever met, so the commie cracks we uncalled for and I apologize.

Its that way the world over the peoples always do fine together, its the dictators in charge that are the problems.

Originally posted by Illahee

Originally posted by TheStarMan
I think people forget that most the idiot anti-gun californians are in the major cities, especially San Francisco. In the rural areas of California, the people are very different. Heck, go to Austin and parts of Dallas and you will find the same clowns.

No offense friend, we love the people but despise the tyranny. As a matter of fact I like most of the Russian,Chinese, and other communist people I have ever met, so the commie cracks we uncalled for and I apologize.

Its that way the world over the peoples always do fine together, its the dictators in charge that are the problems.

No offense taken, I don't life in Kommifornia

I just have found that the the culture of rural CA is NOTHING like the cities, but most people see all of CA as some antigun cesspool