Obama to ban the sale/transfer of ALL Semi-Automatic weapons.

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posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 08:49 AM
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When Obama was selected President, this was the death knoll of the US of A. He's worse than the Shrub and Darth Cheney combined. Folks are blaming the Republicrats for the current economic situation instead of blaming themselves for being sheeople and actually voting for butt-clowns like McCain and Obama. Do you really think folks in well armed states like Texas, Arizona and Florida which have much lower violent crime rates than Chicago and Washington DC are going to pay attention to un-Constitutional laws banning guns? We're heading for a civil war between the Socialist Northeastern States, DC and California vs. Texas and most of the South and West of the US.




posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 08:57 AM
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Looks to be a SIG. Not sure what caliber but I believe either a .40 or 9mm??


Zindo



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 09:46 AM
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On top of believing that banning guns is total nonsense, I find it scary how many people from the US are so ill informed about gun laws in this country. First off, the laws vary from state to state. For instance, what is totally legal in Texas or Pennsylvania may get you thrown in prison in New York. Some states make it very easy for a citizen in good standing to carry a firearm on their person, some states completely ban it. For instance, Washington DC was the focus of gun laws, where they outright banned handguns, even in the home, yet DC has some of the highest gun crime in the country.

Anyway, in order to purchase a firearm, even in a state where it is fairly simply to do, you still have to at least go through a Federal background check before you receive the firearm. I saw someone post about a 10-15 day wait on handguns. This is not the case in all states. For instance, I could walk into a gun store now, and walk out in about 1/2 hour with a handgun.

There is also too much use of assault/automatic/and semi-automatic being used interchangeably. A semi automatic rifle fires one shot per trigger pull, just like your average deer hunting rifle. "Assault rifle" has largely become a term based on appearance, not on function. An assault rifle is one that has a high rate of automatic fire, there are no semi automatic "assault rifles", no matter how many times the media says there are.

Automatic rifles (the type the military and some police use) are HIGHLY regulated. For instance, I could buy a semi automatic version of the M-16/4 (known as the AR15) for arount $900. If I wanted the fully automatic M16/4 just like the military and police may use, it will probably cost $15-20k just for the gun, then on top of that, I must pay a $200 tax stamp, along with having the local police do an extensive backround check on me, which is much more scrutinizing than the standard check done at a gun dealer.

The use of automatic weapons in crimes in this country is less than 1%, I think it is basically almost 0%


The reason fully automatic weapons are so expensive is because none have been imported/sold for civilian use since 1986, so there is a very limited number of them, which makes the price very very high.

People seem to get the idea that everyone in the US is running around with guns acting like some sort of cowboy, when this is very far from the truth, even in southern states. Heck, a lot of people aren't even aware you can have a permit to carry a handgun.

When I go to the gun range, you know what I see? Is it a bunch of crazed hillbillies just looking to kill someone? Nope, I see businessmen, women, entire families, fathers bonding with sons. Everyone having a good time, smiling, allowing each other to shoot their guns, an overall good time.

Sorry, but "gun culture" just isn't what people want to make it out to be. It's generally just a fun loving bunch of people who share a common bond, and are some of the kindest, friendliest people you will ever meet.

I have seen this culture from many sides in this country, from the northeast, to the south, to the west, all different demographics from trailer parks to 5 million dollar homes, and the people largely remain the same. Just people who enjoy collecting and shooting, and also share a joint belief in the right to self defense.

Criminals don't fit into true american "gun culture"



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 10:04 AM
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I believe you are correct. The only publicized crime committed with an automatic weapon was a dirty cop murdering an informant so he couldn't be turned in. There was one other but there isn't public data.

We will see in the very near future, the overturning of assault weapons bans in almost every region including Kommiefornia. There are valid legal challenges that have not been made so far, based on the 'class of weapons' terminology.

It will always be a battle though, to keep the constitution and bill of rights alive.



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Kenan
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Just look at UK and their knife crimes.
BTW, fellow gun owners can anyone of you guess what gun is on my avatar?


It looks like the same pistol I own. Is it a Springfield XD 40?



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 12:06 PM
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I guarantee you the kids killed in drive bys were not killed with legaly purchased guns. In fact a large ammount of crime in the greater chicago area is commited with illegal firearms. so again that would be a non issue regardging gun contro. Gangbangers are gonna get their hands on guns regardless of laws.

Gun control is the beliefe that a 110lb woman has to fistfight a 220lb rapist.



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 01:04 PM
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Another case of poorly reported data most likely. Want a good investigation? Research the 30 or so kids and find out their police records. Were they innocents or were they gang banging? That is what needs to be determined. What time of day were these shootings and what section of the city......



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 01:22 PM
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reply to post by enlighten2012 That's Exactly Right . YOU Don't Live In America And ARE'NT American So You'll Never Realize Why We Guard OUR Right To Keep And Bear Arms So Feverishly ! If You Had The Same Gun Rights As We AMERICANS Do In The First Place Then You Would Understand This !
 



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by sire203

Originally posted by Kenan
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Just look at UK and their knife crimes.
BTW, fellow gun owners can anyone of you guess what gun is on my avatar?


It looks like the same pistol I own. Is it a Springfield XD 40?


Bingo! It's croatian made HS-9 (9mm) but in US it is imported as XD by Springfield Armory.



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 03:15 PM
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It looks to be a bit shorter than a 1911.

Is it an all steel upper and lower frame? Scared of the plastic ones myself.



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 04:00 PM
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From my cold dead hand OBAMA! Our two choices really suck but this guy is so far out in left field that I cannot believe he has a shot at being our president. At least the Supreme Court ruled in favor of gun ownership. Now these idiots want to dictate what type of weapon you can have.



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by crgintx
When Obama was selected President, this was the death knoll of the US of A. He's worse than the Shrub and Darth Cheney combined. Folks are blaming the Republicrats for the current economic situation instead of blaming themselves for being sheeople and actually voting for butt-clowns like McCain and Obama. Do you really think folks in well armed states like Texas, Arizona and Florida which have much lower violent crime rates than Chicago and Washington DC are going to pay attention to un-Constitutional laws banning guns? We're heading for a civil war between the Socialist Northeastern States, DC and California vs. Texas and most of the South and West of the US.


Whao there Maynard, I'm in california and sure we have messed up gun laws here.... but it wasn't like that before. Do you know how many people handed in their semi-automatic weapons when the dilbert state assembly passed the ban on "military style" weapons.... 5000 idiots turned in some weapon but most of them weren't even the AR15, AK's, and SKS rifiles that were banned. The state estimates that several MILLION banned weapons are still in the hands of us who remember when the California Republic was the Golden State... not what it has turned into now..... the people's democratic socialists republic of kalifornia.

And don't think we'll be fighting you guys.... all of us will be fighting the common enemy. It isn't going to be a repeat of the Civil War.... and the states shouldn't divide themselves because that is exactly what the NWO wants to happen. That's how the NWO was able to get what they wanted out of the Civil War.... they divided us into the north and south and look what it got us.... A strong centralized federal government. WHich is exactly what the Founding Fathers DID NOT WANT!!!!! if we do that again then the US is gone for good and everyone loses.

WAKE UP!!!! MAN!!!

Fight the NWO not ourselves!

-Euclid



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by enlighten2012
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grasshopper....think that one up all by yourself

pleeeez..... you talk of nwo though you prob know the constitution by heart...... and obviously obey it.

your post is spoken like a true american...you should be very proud of yourselves


No I didn't think it all up by myself Mr/Ms/It (un)enlighten.... I was attempting to bring the conversation down to your level of 1st grade education; as can be plainly surmised by your truly staggering command of your native language's spelling, grammer and syntax.


Begone unenlightened one... go bury your head in the dirt like the ostriches do and let the grown ups have a conversation about the geopolitical impact of the presidential elections. Your country has already fallen and we are trying to save ours from the same fate that the ignorant in your country allowed to transpire.

-Euclid



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 04:15 PM
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I have two of the evil assault weapons that are in fact registered in Kali. One is an M1 carbine knock off just like you used to order out of the Sears catalog. (dumbasses) The second is a Mak which we know is the sport version of the lame semi auto version of a real ak. It was imported through JPE in Pamona California. It is the giant extra heavy wood stock with the thumb hole in it designed for slow fire. Don't even get me started on Kommiefornia retards in public office.......


Seems like they can't read the Sears catalog. Wonder if they wipe with it.....



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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I agree totally. It's time to grab your pitchforks!


I still can't believe Congress bailed on a five week vacation instead of trying to solve our fuel problems. Every last one of them needs to be thrown out on their butts.

We need term limits ASAP to prevent these losers from buying their seats every election cycle. There are so many apathetic citizens out there that these guys get away with murder year after year.

Wish I could vote myself a raise! Take off on a five week vacation.

At least some people are starting to pay attention with the price of everything going up.

Excuse me now, time to go sharpen the pitchfork.



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 04:35 PM
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I think people forget that most the idiot anti-gun californians are in the major cities, especially San Francisco. In the rural areas of California, the people are very different. Heck, go to Austin and parts of Dallas and you will find the same clowns.



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by Illahee
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I have two of the evil assault weapons that are in fact registered in Kali. One is an M1 carbine knock off just like you used to order out of the Sears catalog. (dumbasses) The second is a Mak which we know is the sport version of the lame semi auto version of a real ak. It was imported through JPE in Pamona California. It is the giant extra heavy wood stock with the thumb hole in it designed for slow fire. Don't even get me started on Kommiefornia retards in public office.......


Seems like they can't read the Sears catalog. Wonder if they wipe with it.....



Ohhhhh man... you registered???????


I have a buddy that registered his AR, his SKS....


I bought my weapons from sporting shops so they have the original FFL forms I'm sure. But I've moved since then so they might only have the old addresses......

I hate those knuckle heads in Sacramento.

-Euclid



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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Yep. I intend a legal challenge if I am denied to bring them back there. If denied it will cost the state about 60-85 grand and me nothing as I have taught myself how to fill out the forms if needed. Depends on the work assignment. I have no intention of breaking the law, just not giving up my full legal rights. I will retain my hi caps as they were purchased in cali, but de-nut them into parts as the law states while they reside there. I do not intend to give them up, and if they intend to charge me income tax, my rights while there will be protected. Not going to live there for the long haul.

Should there be any complications its only a matter of publicizing the court cost waste in order to get a variance. I have 25 years of safe firearms handling experience. Never a close call, never an accidental discharge, because I know what I am doing. Safety first.

Now relate this to the police force on the street. Most have under 15 years handling firearms and at 20 years most retire with a few 'accidents' under their belt. Who would you trust with a firearm more? Me or a cop, working the beat for 5 years. Damn, they scare me with their stupidity sometimes and we pay them for it. Don't get me started.......



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by TheStarMan
I think people forget that most the idiot anti-gun californians are in the major cities, especially San Francisco. In the rural areas of California, the people are very different. Heck, go to Austin and parts of Dallas and you will find the same clowns.


No offense friend, we love the people but despise the tyranny. As a matter of fact I like most of the Russian,Chinese, and other communist people I have ever met, so the commie cracks we uncalled for and I apologize.

Its that way the world over the peoples always do fine together, its the dictators in charge that are the problems.



posted on Aug, 7 2008 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Illahee

Originally posted by TheStarMan
I think people forget that most the idiot anti-gun californians are in the major cities, especially San Francisco. In the rural areas of California, the people are very different. Heck, go to Austin and parts of Dallas and you will find the same clowns.


No offense friend, we love the people but despise the tyranny. As a matter of fact I like most of the Russian,Chinese, and other communist people I have ever met, so the commie cracks we uncalled for and I apologize.

Its that way the world over the peoples always do fine together, its the dictators in charge that are the problems.


No offense taken, I don't life in Kommifornia


I just have found that the the culture of rural CA is NOTHING like the cities, but most people see all of CA as some antigun cesspool





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