Obama to ban the sale/transfer of ALL Semi-Automatic weapons.

"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." John F. Kennedy

reply to post by TheOracle


Considering his "current" views seem to change on a daily basis, your comment hardly makes any sense.

Obama is against gun ownership. His voting record proves that.

Actions do indeed speak louder than words.

As an alleged "Constitutional scholar", one would think Obama would know the difference between "shall not be infringed" and "allows for reasonable gun control laws".

He obviously doesn't.

Obama simply knows coming right out against guns at this point would only hurt his chances of getting elected.

Make no mistake, given the chance, Obama would ban as many guns as he possibly could. It's the criminal, corrupt Chicago politician way.

By Banning All Semi Auto Firearms And High Capacity Magazines Plus Trying To Make Registration Of Ammo Is Just The Way "THEY" Want To Control "OUR" Ability To Be Able To Resist Them On Equal Ground ! If "THEY" Have More Firepower Than "WE" Then Taking Over This Country Will Be Easier . Plain And Simple . Who Easier To Take Control Of Then Americans That Have Nothing More Then Single Shot Firearms ! I For One Will NEVER Bow Down To Any Gun Ban No Matter What ! All You Anti Gun Idiots, You Will Be The First To Go Down. Don"t Doubt That For A Minute ! You Have Already Been Defeated But You Don't Realize It Yet .It Will Be All Of Us Pro Gun Rights Folk And The True Patriots Who Will Do The Fighting To Free Your Pathetic Behinds From Your Captors And your Masters . GOD GUNS AND FREEDOM ..................

reply to post by Illahee


am i not seeing what the right to bare arms is really about?????

maybe because i'm not american and i dont know the consitution to well though i dont get the fact that its your right to own a deadly weapon sorry.
maybe when in Oz our population hits 240 million then maybe (though i doubt it) think twice about the sanity of this.

dont americans go into other countries and wonder why they dont sell guns in their convenient stores?

if Obama loose's votes on this statement alone some people need to look outside the square alittle.

reply to post by enlighten2012


As you said yourself, you really don't know much about the Constitution.

The 2nd Amendment states:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


Pretty plain and clear right there.

" By the light of the Eternal Election Gods, I Barack Husien Obama have seen the light of the Second Amendment and have found it to be good. And I further See that my former disenlightenment on the facts of this hollowed amendment have concluded that I shall be convinced to "Change" my former words into complete agreement with The 2nd Amendment and what I allow it to mean in the words I so graciously spew forth from my Godlike lips. No one should be afraid that my understanding is not of the enlightened order. I know longer wish to infringe on my citizens rights. I am a reformed man in the eyes of my followers! ALL HAIL MY ENLIGHTENMENT!!! ALL IS WELL WITH THE ELECTION!!!!

utter BS!!!


Zindo

reply to post by TheOracle


It's simple really.... it isn't that we don't understand. The problem is HE IS LYING. Just like all the other politicians out there that are anti-gun; they will SAY AND DO ANYTHING to get elected.

As much as I hate Bush I have to say that it is WONDERFUL that no significant restrictions have been able to pass that prevent the lawful execution of right to keep and bear arms during his administration. In fact there have been a number of reversals at the federal and state levels. It is a good thing.

As for me... I prefer Bob Barr and Ron Paul for President. But since they will have no chance to win I will place my vote for Insane McCain.... I'm a one issue voter. I don't give a rip about welfare, health care or any other socialist mechanism in our government. All I care about is which of the knote-head candidates has a TRACK RECORD of supporting the 2nd Amendment.

Osama's track record proves without doubt that he supports the deconstruction of the Constitution and specifically the 2nd Amendment.

Naive people should REMEMBER > ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS! AND HISTORY IS RELEVENT! His history and actions are clear and a true summation of his intent and character.

A vote for Osama, I mean Obama, is a vote for Islamic-fascism.

-Euclid

Originally posted by enlighten2012
reply to post by Illahee

 

am i not seeing what the right to bare arms is really about?????

maybe because i'm not american and i dont know the consitution to well though i dont get the fact that its your right to own a deadly weapon sorry.
maybe when in Oz our population hits 240 million then maybe (though i doubt it) think twice about the sanity of this.

dont americans go into other countries and wonder why they dont sell guns in their convenient stores?

if Obama loose's votes on this statement alone some people need to look outside the square alittle.

It is very simple oh unenlightned one. It is the right of every human to be able to protect their self from tyranny. The Founding Fathers of this Greatest Nation on this pathetic Earth lived in a time when monarchies & theocracies literally enslaved their populations. It was a time monarchial and theocratic tyranny. Dissent was dealt with by the governments of the time by killing their citizens - no jury, no judge, no witnesses, no lawyers. The citizens were not free, they were considered chattel - i.e. they were owned by the King or Emperor and lived only because he or she allowed it.

The Founding Fathers of our nation threw off the yoke of kingly oppression ONLY because they had the latest and greatest technology - firearms!!!! King George actually sent troops to disarm the British Colonies in the Americas.... but we fought back and we kicked their butts.

Our Founding Fathers drafted the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence in such a way that we in this country recognize the self evident truth that the only way for the People of a nation to truly possess Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is by being able to over-throw the government by force of arms; when that government becomes oppressive and seeks to destroy the freedom of the People.

ALL THE CITIZENS OF OTHER NATIONS ON THIS PLANET HAVE BEEN DISARMED!

Do you understand what this means, grasshopper? It means that all of the people in those disarmed countries have allowed themselves to become chattel. They are no longer truly free; though at this time they still possess the illusion of freedom. Those people now no longer have a way of countering the jack-booted government thug that could easily round them up and put them into a concentration camp for euthanasia, or forced vaccination, of forced labor camps, re-education, et cetera.

We the People of the united States of America still possess the ONE THING that allows us to retain what little TRUE freedoms we still possess. IF the powers in the world succeed in stripping us of our human right to self protection then we too will only have the illusion of freedom... for a while.

Unfortunately for you and the rest of the world it is too late.

The united States remains that Shining City on Hill; even though we aren't perfect we're tons better then other places.

-Euclid

Great Post Euclid!!
For those who just don't get it - (We remember)

(Material from by Geoff Metcalf article)

Over 56-million people have died because of gun control in the last century. Is there an identifiable trend? A common denominator? Sure! The victims were unarmed.

» In 1911, Turkey established for real gun control. Subsequently, from 1915 to 1917, 1.5-million Armenians, deprived of the means to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.


» The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929. Then from 1929 to 1953, approximately 20-million dissidents — again, deprived of the means to defend themselves — were rounded up and killed.


» Forget the phony Hitler quotes, and focus on the facts. In 1938 Germany did establish gun control. From 1939 to 1945 over 13-million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill, union leaders, Catholics and others, unable to fire a shot in protest, were rounded up and killed.

» China has more practice than anyone does in disarming potential dissenters. Once upon a time they banned knives and swords. In 1935 they established gun control. Subsequently, between 1948 and 1952, over 20-million dissidents, again deprived of the tools for self defense, were rounded up and killed.

» Cambodia enshrined gun control in 1956. In just two years (1975-1977) over one million "educated" people were rounded up and killed.

» Guatemala locked in gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, over 100,000 Mayan Indians were rounded up and killed as a result of their inability to defend themselves.


» Uganda got gun control in 1970. Over the next nine years over 300,000 Christians were rounded up and killed.


Our Troubles at home:

April 5, 1996, Charles Krauthammer wrote in the Washington Post, "the Brady Bill's only effect will be to desensitize the public to regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation." "Ultimate," as in inevitable, eventually, sometime in the future ... not now ... BUT soon.

Editor of the Boston Globe T. Winship wrote in Editor and Publisher Magazine, April 24, 1993, "Investigate the NRA with renewed vigor. Print names of those who take NRA funds. Support all causes the NRA opposes. ... The work a day guy doesn't envision total confiscation, but many with the real power to sway public opinion and effect change in America do.

Democrat Representative W. Clay was quoted in the St. Louis Post Dispatch of May 8, 1993, regarding the Brady Bill. He said it is "the minimum step" Congress should take. "We need much stricter gun control and eventually we should bar ownership of handguns except in a few cases."

Senator Diane Feinstein, speaking on "60-Minutes" immediately after the passage of the Brady Bill said, "if I thought I could get the votes, I'd have taken them all." That's not paranoia; that is the clearly stated objective of a liberal Democrat U.S. senator.

Peter Shields, founder of Handgun Control Inc. was quoted in the New Yorker Magazine, June 26, 1976, with what frankly crystallizes the alleged paranoia many of us have for preserving the Second Amendment.

"We'll take one step at a time, and the first is necessarily ... given the political realities ... very modest. We'll have to start working again to strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen the next law and again and again. Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns, is going to take time. The first problem is to make possession of all handguns and ammunition (with a few exceptions) totally illegal."

For those who continue to insist, "Hey, that stuff could never happen here," permit me to annoy you with two more facts. "Operation Garden Plot" and "Department of State Publication 7277."

some quotes:

"You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."Admiral Yamamoto

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." Adolf Hitler

"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." Mao Tse Tung

"US Senator, If I could have banned them all - 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' - I would have!" Diane Feinstein-owner-.357 magnum concealed carry

"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." The Dalai Lama

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." Mohandas K. Gandhi

"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
George Orwell

"Jesus said, 'But now whoever has a purse or a bag, must take it and whoever does not have a sword must sell his cloak and buy one.'" (Luke 22:36)

I think guns should be banned in America. It's one of the main reasons I don't visit the country, anyone could kill me at the flick of a trigger. Even though the chances aren't high.. I don't think there's anything wrong with Obama's ideas, people need to change and don't like change. etc

And let's not forget what happened just a few weeks ago between China and Tibet.

The chinese communist army went into Tibet and started killing Monks that were armed with only STICKS!!!!!

That's what happens when you don't have weapons. Communists drive up, point guns at you and tell you that you can't reincarnate without their permission:

www.timesonline.co.uk...
afp.google.com...

For all you slaves out there in the rest of the world who don't understand why we in the USA are gun nuts..... remember that we told you here:

China is the model for the NWO:

www.lifesitenews.com...
www.nytimes.com...
www.nytimes.com...
www.hrw.org...

You people in the rest of the world will only have your illusion of freedom until the NWO succeeds in taking away the Liberty from the last vestige of Liberty on the planet. IF/When we lose it..... all of the planet loses.

-Euclid

[edit on 6-8-2008 by euclid]

reply to post by infolurker


Thanks info.

It's all rock n roll to me.

-Euclid

reply to post by 0010110011101



No offense taken at all.

I feel sorry for Mr. Martin though. The man was only defending his home.


As for the semi-auto necessity it's as simple as if it was to come down to us Americans defending ourselves from threats, be it an intruder in our house, an invading force, or from our own government we have the means to do so.

If you have a single shot rifle like a muzzle loader or a bolt action rifle it makes it harder to do those things(unless you're a hell of a shot). While I don't believe the populace should ever have full auto weapons the need for semi-auto is there.

I don't think more people owning guns will lead to more people being shot. I do think if guns were banned we would see more people being shot because only the criminals would have guns and we would have no way to defend ourselves from them.
One thing I do feel we need before being able to purchase a gun is to complete a gun safety course. No course completion, no gun.

It's like that for hunting. You must complete a hunter's safety course in order to get your hunting license. Why not for gun ownership?

reply to post by Illahee
If Obama gets elected then i guarantee we will be in another civil war. His ideas are flowing from his muslim heritage.

Originally posted by Anuubis
reply to post by Illahee

 

If Obama gets elected then i guarantee we will be in another civil war. His ideas are flowing from his muslim heritage.

I could see a civil war if he doesn't get elected more than if he does and that's still reaching in my opinion. I don't see a reason for a civil war over Obama but hey people have fought for dumber reasons. I can definitely see riots if he isn't elected but not a war.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by Simon_Boudreaux]

Why oh why would this idea come up? I think someones future intentions are very clear. How can they possibly say that by disarming the public is for safety because of a few gun accidents?? Sorry, but I am not buying it and my freedom is not for sale. Our safety with guns far outweighs our safety without them. Anyone who would agree to this might as well roll the clocks back and let the Nazi's rule the world.

reply to post by euclid


grasshopper....think that one up all by yourself

pleeeez..... you talk of nwo though you prob know the constitution by heart...... and obviously obey it.

your post is spoken like a true american...you should be very proud of yourselves

Thanks to all for helping to explain this to the others outside the US.

Some feel this is the springboard for world domination, that I do not know, I do know by spreading the word we can make a shift in the future right there in the voting booth. Choose wisely.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Just look at UK and their knife crimes.
BTW, fellow gun owners can anyone of you guess what gun is on my avatar?