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reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 11:44 PM by Illusionsaregrander
Originally posted by Sonya610

Plus they must dress quite modestly because “the hijab is the oyster
shell and the woman inside is the pearl” which has to reinforce their belief in their sensual appeal. The whole purpose of covering up is to avoid tempting men, which implies they are very very tempting indeed!


[edit on 5-8-2008 by Sonya610]


Lol, that is a kind way to put it. And I do understand the thought. I personally do not take it as a compliment, that "Oh we women must be so tempting that we must cover ourselves," but rather as, "If a man cannot control his own desires he must be exceptionally weak willed." If Jesus says that the thought is the sin, not only the action, he seems to be implying that something in our selves must be committed to some level of sinlessness for the lack of sin to be present. It isnt merely a physical thing. The Self must be committed to a certain standard.

If you require someone else to behave a certain way to refrain from sinning, then sin is still in you. You are not committed, you are not refraining, you are simply making it easy on yourself by not placing yourself in circumstances that test your commitment. Thats like proving your worthiness at math by never taking an exam. Just doesnt seem right to me on many levels.

For me, it couldnt be about God, it is about the failings or inherent weakness of humans if a woman has to cover herself more so than a male. After all, if hair or our bodies displeased a perfect God, he (male in that tradition) could have made us originally in a form that pleased him more. He made us naked and unashamed, it was our own "sin" that led to us wearing clothing and feeling ashamed at all, so really, if we dress this way or that it is about us and not God.

(Again, speaking from that tradition, others may have their own mythologies)

Islamic marriage law is very explicitly a contract between a person (male) and the reproductive organs of a female. It can be a "buy" a long term arrangement, or a "rent" a temporary marriage, but the law is written so that it is very clear that the ownership or lease is of her reproductive tract, and not of her as a person. The covering up is so that no other man is tempted to use "his" property and saddle him with a child not his own. How a female can find this flattering I am uncertain.


reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 11:51 PM by sc2099
Originally posted by 1phaseshifter
reply to
post by sc2099



sounds like your judging the book by its cover. i personally love that bit, the tenseness between two people before they`ve slept together.


Then we agree. This is what I was trying to say was a good thing. Sorry if my quoting caused any confusion.

Originally posted by redmage

Now you're getting into the "chicken or the egg" argument. Personally, I'd argue that "porn" emulates the mainstream, not the other way around.


Hmm that's an interesting concept. Of course you're right that it is impossible to prove either way. The reason I still say that MM follows porn is that porn is on the leading edge of extremity, if you will, and MM is not as wild. The mainstream always tails what's out front in terms of novelty.



(Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler), but the vast majority of "porn" has very low standards when it comes to their photography. They either don't have the budget, or simply don't care when it comes to post-production. Grainy, bad lighting, blemishes, you name it;

Are you really trying to tell me that Playboy Magazine is low budget and the models and celebrities it gets are low quality? I would say that the opposite is true and the girls who aren't pretty enough to be on TV are the ones in the discount bin.

I'm pretty sure the porn with the normal looking girls is, as the article put it, 'bad porn' while the porn with the highest paid, 'hotest' looking actresses/models who have the most work and airbrushing done is the quality stuff.



reply posted on 6-8-2008 @ 12:03 AM by sc2099
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander



The whole headscarf thing is something I would never do, but I like how easy it is for those women to turn their husbands on. Think about it this way. If you watch a movie from the 70s or 80s, you can see the attitude that getting to 2nd base was a big deal. Today 3rd base is where you go on the first date, and if a girl isn't willing to push her own sexual boundaries there's no way she's keeping a guy.

Like the article said, the 'cool girls', or the girls guys want to be with go to the strip clubs with them, partake in the activities, and you can barely tell the difference between who's paying and who's being paid. All this for the enjoyment of the man present.

A girl who has no interest in sexual activities with other girls, in strip clubs and porn, in multiple partners will have a hard time getting or keeping a guy who isn't D grade.

This is all from my experiences in high school (class of 02) and college (class of 06) and beyond.

My point is I like how all this girl had to do was show her husband her hair and she becomes this sex goddess .


reply posted on 6-8-2008 @ 12:43 AM by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by sc2099



I do understand why that would appeal to you in light of the circumstances you brought up. I just really feel bad that that has been your experience with guys.

I havent had that experience at all. I am not sure what "D" grade guys are to you, lol, but I am a very sloooooow female, and it doesnt cause me any problems at all. To me the grade "A" guy is the one I like being with, who I can be myself with, who likes me, and who can be himself with me and who respects what is important to me enough to let me make up my own mind. I like to get to know someone, and talk to them, and see what we have in common. I would say a good month or so of slowly getting to know someone is my "norm" in terms of dating relationships before any sex is introduced, and generally speaking I tend to have had a good couple of months of "friendly" knowing someone before we even get around to going to the dating phase. It isnt a game like saying "you have to wait exactly x number of dates before we have sex." I just want to see if there is anything worth spending the time and energy a relationship tends to cost before I jump in the sack with someone. Grade "A" guys in my book want a real relationship with another person, not just to hump any old girl that will let them.

I have friends who are much more eager to please guys, who have less "luck" with men. I dont advocate giving guys a hard time deliberately as a strategy for getting or keeping them, but what I do suspect is that guys know that on some level a woman who will do things just to please them is holding a weak hand in terms of self worth. I suspect that the way we value ourselves sort of clues the people around us (male and female) in on how they should value us. I know for myself that a guy who comes on too strong and flatters too much or falls all over himself trying to please me or other people tends to be a turn off to some degree. It says to me that they dont have a well developed sense of self, and it is hard to have a real solid friendship with someone who doesnt.

Ultimately, I feel romantic relationships should be extensions of a strong abiding liking of another person, that just so happens to have a physical component. Its hard to get to like someone on a deep level if that someone will not ever be themselves with you for trying to please you or in an attempt to become the person they think you want them to be.


reply posted on 6-8-2008 @ 12:58 AM by sc2099
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander



Haha, well by grade D I meant sort of antisocial losers...Dungeons and Dragons types LOL. No offense to gamers...I mean just sort of a generic loser.

I am telling you, Illusions, I am married now, but if I had to go back into the dating world I would sooner pursue a post graduate degree in Calculus (this from a girl who can barely compute interest, LOL). The dating scene is downright humiliating. I'm not sure how old you are, so if you're older than I perhaps it is easier to find men who aren't so...priggish.

I think it's mostly men under 30 who expect this sort of thing from girls.

God, when I think of how a girl used to be able to command attention just by flirting or wearing a short skirt....and now if you're not making out with another girl or letting a guy do shots off your breasts....guys just look right through you as if you're as inconsequential as dust.


reply posted on 6-8-2008 @ 01:23 AM by sc2099
reply to post by Echo3Foxtrot



Isn't a bunch of guys sitting around watching porn together a little gay? You can't be serious if you say that no one gets aroused, and isn't it a little uncomfortable if someone gets excited in a group of guys?
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