Originally posted by DuneKnight
can someone please point out what sexual abilities women need to acquire. u people make it seem as though women werent built for sex. maybe we should get xzhibt and let him pimp everyone's ride. making a man happy is so easy, its women that cant be satisfied.

That's exactly what the previous poster was saying.

If women are generally not being satisfied in bed (as is the general stereotype) then that is more of a reflection on the skills of the man instead of the woman. However, a previous poster was trying to say it is the women that need to work harder to reach the bar. But um... it's the women that generally are not being satisfied by their mates so that sounds like their partner's fault more than theirs.

But, yes, I will give men a fair assessment and will say it is more work to please a woman that it is to please a man. I'm not trying to be a tyrant but the post saying women need to be more like porn stars really rubbed me the wrong way as I know a lot more dissatisfied women than men.

I will never forget a qoute I heard. 'When I watch porn for the first fifteen minutes I want to nail anything in sight. More than that I never want to have sex again'.
I wish I could remember who said that.

I think the main issue I have with porn, isn't porn, it's the mass medias appropriation of it and how it's becoming mainstream... the MAJOR concern being the over-sexualization of children, which is going to bite society on the ass (hard). The internet isn't to blame for this, a lack of parenting.

I don't think that body issues just apply to women, perhaps more prevalent in women due to societal issues (probably). Us guys can have problems with self image too, it's a tough one to gauge, especially as men are less likely to seek help for things like self-harm, eating disorders, but they do crop up in the male of the species too. Interestingly, anorexia turns up in "non-western(ised)" cultures too, in societies that have no exposure to media.

As for women expecting men to jump through hoops, nah, totally disagree, some maybe, but greater economic choice and also perhaps less pressure to be in a relationship may well contribute - also, don't forget that most of us are working so damn hard to pay our rent, worrying about bills etc, it might actually be harder to forge relationships these days.

Women not having orgasms... quite probably, porn should be used as an enhancement, but I'm guessing most males are using it as a fantasy driven thing and generally we should grow up and stop being selfish pigs. I'm not going to pretend I haven't had one night stands, but the most satisfying sex I've ever had has been with a partner I love, care for and respect, someone who I want to be happy.

How come no one has mentioned the massive uplift in the selling of sex aids over the past 10 years or so? Us guys have to be screwing up somewhere.

AshleyD, kudos for coming out of the bod/mod closet.

MsFab you sound like a good mom.

edit to add:

Women need to be less like pornstars, as do guys... we just need to talk openly with our partners about what we want WITHOUT being pushy dicks (guys).

If we get Xzibit in I want my new girlfriend to have some kinda crazy UV shizzle.

[edit on 5-8-2008 by jokei]

Oh yeah and about my first post.
Maybe it should be more like "bad boob jobs are a turn off" Because like I said a good boob job isn't bad at all. e.g Veronica Zemanova and of course Ashley and Sonya
It's just when a girl has perfect breasts and she gets a REALLY bad boob job, I just feel for her.

I guess Ashley and Sonya were lucky, have you got any advice to girls out there who want implants? My advice is please research the doctor first!!!



[edit on 5-8-2008 by _Phoenix_]

Even my 87 year old grandmother has wanted to get her boobs done, just a little, for her own aesthetic reasons. She never had to deal with the porn issue with my grandfather, who was the most wonderful Norwegian socialist you would ever meet. Humble, intelligent, 154 IQ,socially and politically aware, who would give the shirt off his back to anyone in need and short himself, a wonderful sense of humor and known by so many for his integrity,and a good provider. In fact he was a feminist himself before its time, and believed in equality. He put their house on the lake in both their names, before it was the norm, and when he broke his leg logging, it was his company, he stayed home to watch the kids, and she got a job in the packing company. Well that was the end of his asking her what she did all day. He raced back to work on a broken leg and told his friends that no matter how hard it is, they do one thing at a time. Multitasking all day long and dealing with kids was the hardest work he'd ever done. Never once, though they both got quite cranky at times, did he call her the B word or disrespect her in anyway, though she had quite alot to say about men in general, and had lots to say frequently, lol. He said she was a good kid frequently.
But she simply has a mind of her own and wanted to be a bit more balanced in her curves, especially after her children were born. While some women may do things to look like a porn star, others do things, or wish to do them anyway, for themselves whether they ever intend to date again or not. Pornography is not the reason most women past childbearing years get their breasts done.

[edit on 5-8-2008 by mystiq]

I had to write the flippin longest essay on this last year in women's studies (teehee I know). I'm an anthro major and this subject has come up a lot in many of my classes, not just women's studies.. sociology, cultural anthro, etc. In my essay I argued against this position, going on to say that women use porn in this context to blame for their natural self consciousness or lack of self confidence; however not in a negative way, it's normal and porn is a great scape goat that's completely acceptable to point to and vilify in our society.

If I had to name the true cause of women's feelings of inadequacy, I'd be looking at tabloids, tv and movie portrayals of women. Men are just jack asses, you don't need a cause in society for that. I'm sure there are some men way too wrapped up and porn, theres a psychological condition I can't remember the name of that relates to that, it's hardly the norm.

There's a trend in todays culture recently, that women take a more and more sexually aggressive role; this is where my essay started to break down. You can't get that from magazines and Paris Hilton, it could be reactionary to porn's influence on men; a way of "giving them what they appear to want". We took a show of hands here and the vast majority have noticed the same since roughly the time the internet took hold. I know I have lol

[edit on 5-8-2008 by ANoNyMiKE]

Originally posted by ANoNyMiKE
There's a trend in todays culture recently, that women take a more and more sexually aggressive role; this is where my essay started to break down. You can't get that from magazines and Paris Hilton, it could be reactionary to porn's influence on men; a way of "giving them what they appear to want". We took a show of hands here and the vast majority have noticed the same since roughly the time the internet took hold. I know I have lol
[edit on 5-8-2008 by ANoNyMiKE]

im like you i also took a anthropology course and had to deal with all that stuff. but im not sure if i understand what u meant by the last paragraph.