"The Porn Myth"

reply to post by Sunsetspawn


is that you with kevin smith? im not a fan of porn either, im not sure why people are obsessed with it so much and pornstars bore me, so i aint wasting my time watching boring looking women. however i do on occasion get attracted to actual female actresses mainly because of the artistic nature of their work. for example, they can make you feel emotional things through their acting so u admire them for it. but porn doesnt make u feel anything, it just numbs you from everything.

[edit on 18-8-2008 by DuneKnight]

reply to post by ADisbeliever


if i were you i would at least sit next to her, surely u can manage that. then as i said ask for advise (it really works) on anything that comes to mind, maybe assignments or something. you can start talking to urself, babble on like some insane dude seating next to her, that will grab her attention. because by that she will know ur thought process from the get-go. later try to seem interested in whatever she has to say usually by shutting the hell up and letting her finish, no one cares what u think...believe me, staying quiet is better. and try also to refer to her as "woman" alot or something like that, especially if shes a young student.

[edit on 19-8-2008 by DuneKnight]

reply to post by sir_chancealot


Bro the Irony of all this arguing your doing is that Sonya who was a little more... direct with you than Illusion...

took off a page into this rhetoric, gave you the equivalent of taking the drink you bought her at a bar and vanishing...

Your boasting of your accomplishments and knowledge of lovemaking, now maybe you can argue me as wrong, but when an Actual Woman says your wrong, you might want to listen...

Illusion is kind of getting frustrated here to, and frankly while I THINK I have larned some valuable lessons in life from my personal mistakes and I Think I know a few things in regards to woemn because I have a firly strong background in psychology... it's no substitude for:

Listening to a Womans Opinions for crying out loud...

and point for point, debate for debate... counter for counter... You are alienated from American Women and the no 1 complaint of Women in general about men is what?

They do not Listen.... (congratulations you win a cupie doll if you guessed that before reading it)

Deny being insecure, claim your the worlds greatest lover... your turning off the women in here kind enough to be offering advice to a bunch of dudes LOL

I mean, for the love of g-d... I am attracted to Asian girls, but personally I need a modern girl, she has to have a brain and... damn, I'm smart but I don't know it all...

You can sit and think of American girls as this or that... but alot of it breaks down to..you obviously don't have much respect for woemn beyond being sex objects... all your doing is countering everything they say...all you guys lol...

"we are slaves" "theyhate men"...

and No, Men just fear empowered women...can't even listen to what they say and aborb it... then blame them when they treat you like sh17

What is so bad about Chivalry... what makes it ass kissing, what is so diffucult to understand that the female orgasm is by far more important than your own.... and why would you love soemone and Not want to do everything you can for them in life? How does that make you less of a man?

Your all taking about dealing with women and..not listening to anything they say, forming your own opinions and... when it comes to Women listen to Women Lol lol, my head hurts already....

If I wanted to know about cakes, i'd go to dang Baker... not a florist...


This whole post is from a person ignored for porn I believe... and it's bigger than Porn, it's an apathy to woemn and a disrespect that goes way beyond porn... some women love porn...but what they get is a whole Madonna/whore thing if they were to talk about their desires...

lol, when they do or act on them Guys get horrified... and going for a "traditional woman" if it makes you happy and she is happy cool... But it still doesn't change the reality that most men fear and that is a woman can be more sexual in a day than we can in a year if she wants to...

The reality is. left free, sexually women have the upper hand and no guy can truely match a strong sexual woman and you better be nice to her and listen to her because... she can walk out and have another guy in 1 Minute in most cases if she is attractive and we have to work for it not them... anything else is a woman going along with you to make you feel better lol, most women accept the fact or are conditioned into a fatalistic view of sex... and it takes on a less important role because men create a society that judges the heck out of them when they are honest...

and what do they usually ask for in return from us...for faithfulness and a relationship... when sex they can have a myriad of ways with a dozen guys....

Just listen lol, support me while I take care of you...

and this post is about Porn...guys going off and jerking off alone, (which trust me I have screwed up and done) rather than be greatful for the real woman they have... or be able to share the porn with her without being intimidated or freaking out over whatever skeletons fall out of her closet in the process lol...

and soo... degrade them for a woman that obeys you lol and puts on a performance of submissiveness for you which in the end is a lie anyway...

But any guy in here knows the Truth about sex and that's why we don't share very often our porn habits...

Because you turn on the net and there is a Woman pleasuring... 2 Guys 3 Guys... 9 Guys at a time and can straight up put them all to sleep...

so talk about your 7 orgasms lol... any woman, any woman at all... can run you into the ground and then your best friend and then the guy next to him and go again if she really likes it...

and unlike us, who releases a chemical to put us to sleep, the more sex a woman has, the more orgasms she has, the more she desires more sex...

Natures way of her procuring the best possible seed when we were at a lesser stage of things in evolution... The best you can do by giving a woman great sex...is lol, make her want more and you could never keep up with the demand if you walked that road... ever

and unlike us, most women fear that and know it and don't take advantage of it, they are content to make love and actually prefer and are usually more concerned with the emotional end of things...

and with that kind of graciousness... most guys can't even tolerate, listening to them speak...

and I maintain it is fear and self loathing and feelings of being inadequate that all men suffer from in light of the truth that drives us to act that way...

and none of this is an insult... i've been that guy in my life and, decided to appreciate them rather than hate them... and you obviously loathe "American Women"

Crap...i'd say this whole culture war with the mideast is about a Billion Guys that can't even handle the thought of a truely free woman let loose lol... but what's the amazingly amuzing reward... for Martyrdom... 72 "Virgins" lol

why Virgins because every guy knows he will be a stud for a woman who has had nothing else...a chance to really see her extatic after a couple of tries perhaps lol...

but that's how deep the fear runs in men...

and... lol, It doesn't matter how we stroke our egos or what we say, talking it up just grosses them out... because They know the truth... Sonya was either lauging or crying when she dropped out lol.... or a mixture of both

There's only one answer to making a woman happy, really and genuinely appreciate her, care about what she says and thinks and feels and treat her good, because a typical guy holds a woman by fear or financial dominance... and that's just not the world we live in...

They ahve to want YOU nowadays to hold onto a woman... and if a woman is telling your talking nonsense...show some respect because... like Sonya did in this thread they will just walk off

Reality check, we need them more than they need us... in a modern world... and i'm not into living in a world of fear because my masculinity is more important in a savage world...

reply to post by ADisbeliever


I would get near her as she was leaving the class room, and say casually, "did you understand what the Prof was talking about when he said _______?"

and wait for her response. If she says "No, not really." and acts hurried or irritated in any way, I would just say, "me neither, I hope it isnt on the test." And take off. Hurried or irritated tones says "I am not interested in this." Even if she is in a hurry for the next class, if there is hope, she will pause a minute for you and not seem pissed about it. If she does seem annoyed, she isnt the girl for you.

If she said "no, not really, did you?" then I would linger and either say "well I think ______, but I am not totally sure, does that sound like what you heard?" or something like that. I would carry the conversation on for a short while, (pretty short) then say, "Well I will see you next time. Hopefully it will be more clear." It is better if you are the one to end the conversation, so keep it short.

If she says, "why yes I did." Then say, "Do you mind if I borrow your notes for today? I will bring them back next class, I promise" and you have an excuse to talk to her next time. If she offers to explain a little while she hands you the notes, listen and ask a couple questions. Then thank her, and say that you will see her next class with the notes. Again, it is best if you break the conversation off before she says she has to go.

Notice when you speak to her if she looks you in the eye, or if she avoids eye contact. If she likes you, she will look you in the eye while she is talking to you. Not stare, but she will hold normal eye contact. If she is just being nice, but doesnt really like you, she will be looking at other things while she is talking to you. The exception is if she is just very shy herself, and if that is the case, she will make repeated, but very brief eye contact with you, with her head kind of downward if she likes you. Again, if she is avoiding eye contact altogether or looking at other things, it is a stop sign.

Choosing a class related topic for your first conversation is very non threatening. It is safe, and you can judge her reaction to you without your having to stick your neck out too far. It is very normal and common to talk to your classmates, she will not be thinking that you are a freak for doing so, so just be calm, and pretend she is just another person, not the person you like.

Thats where it is a good idea to practice talking to people you dont know in general. If you get used to saying "hi" and smiling at people, it is much, much easier to break the ice with someone you like. Not perfectly easy, but a lot easier than if you are totally shy all the time.


Edit to add,

You know? This is what I think the biggest problem with porn is. That nice shy guys never learn how to tell if a woman likes them or not. In the porno's ALL the women like the guys. Even if they are saying "no" in porno's they mean yes. In real life, there is a very subtle dance that goes on, and the guys that do best with women arent always the handsomest, or the richest, but they are to a person the men who best understand the dance steps.


[edit on 19-8-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]

And LOL... adisbeliever had 2 women in here to offer him advice...

LOL all the rhetoric... what does he need your advice? LOL or theirs lol

and then there were none... One girl dissed you and the other called you hurtful before the tripe was done...


and you think the problem is them?


lol, k, she is still here... let the lady offer the Man some good advice lol

[edit on 19-8-2008 by mopusvindictus]

reply to post by mopusvindictus


what do u mean when u say women having the upper hand in sexuality? first of all i dont think so, men get orgasms much easier so that puts their mind at ease and lets them think rationally most of the time, as in shift focus to other important matters. sex is supposed to be a catalyst, u shouldnt immerse urself into it. its just a tool... lol u like to depict women as sexmongers

[edit on 19-8-2008 by DuneKnight]

reply to post by mopusvindictus


He asked. You dont see me offering you any unsolicited advice do you?

Nor do you see me trying to tell Sir_Chancelot how to pick up women. He already has a strategy, and while I may not agree with some of his views on Western women, he is absolutely entitled to his own opinion and to date who, what and how he pleases.

I actually like Sir_Chancelot, and have conversed with him a good deal in the thread. I have heard a lot of how he feels, and he my opinions. I am not sure what your point is?

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

I would get near her as she was leaving the class room, and say casually, "did you understand what the Prof was talking about when he said _______?"

So I'm supposed to go up to a girl I've never met before, who is a total stranger, and start asking her questions like that?

Wouldn't she think I was being creepy and call the police on me?

Originally posted by DuneKnight

if i were you i would at least sit next to her, surely u can manage that.

Oh yeah, that's another thing.

Let's say it's the first class (classes are starting soon). I usually try to get to the first class very early and be the first one there.

Ok let's say I'm walking into the classroom, and there's one other person in there, an attractive girl. All the other 20 or so seats are empty.

Am I supposed to sit next to her? Wouldn't she find that creepy?

reply to post by ADisbeliever


yeah so what just sit next to her, i dont think shes looking for space. ask for an extra pen or something if that helps, or offer some gum..or no dont do that offer something sweet.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


are u a guy lol have u been castrated? u are no doubt the most feminist of feminists i ever seen. u dont have to make our gender inferior to prove a point. i dont see it that way, men are like women in all regards; they just approach things differently. and sex is not the goal in life either, its vital but not the most important. i think the most important thing is satisfaction with what u got.

reply to post by ADisbeliever


No, in a classroom setting it is perfectly normal to ask a classmate a question. She will not think you are being creepy. I was at the top of my class, and LOTS of people asked for my notes. Male and female. And lots of people asked what the heck the prof was talking about. And sometimes I would ask other people if I their opinion if I did quite get it. Sometimes, several of us would get together between classes and study or discuss the class, it is perfectly normal.

You, my friend, are probably just shyer than average, and so it feels uncomfortable to you. It really isnt out of the ordinary, and she may be just as shy as you are. I can assure you the cops will not be called unless you grab her breast or follow her around campus all day.

reply to post by DuneKnight


Yeah, not gum, she might think you are telling her she has a breath problem. Lol.

Just something related to class to break the ice, a piece of paper or a pen, those are great suggestions.

reply to post by DuneKnight


Sex mongers... lol no, just stating the obvious truth...

what are you even arguing with here... Yeah, they have the upper hand... You can go out and simply get Girls into bed whenever you want? they sure can do it when they want to....

some guys do better than others... but I mean sheeesh come on... yeah Women have the upper hand in sexual relations almost all the time... A woman has much more power to attract men than almost all guys have to attract women we have to work much harder, go out of our way to impress and pursue...

a woman needs to leave the house...

If your in a relationship, almost always any attractive girl can have options alot faster than a guy can..if he wasn't snakeing around prior that is...

I do great with girls and could never hold a candle to the ease at wich any averagely decent looking girl can get a guy

and almost universally they are far more emotionally intelligent than men are, if a smart girl chooses to play games she will wipe the floor with a guy...

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Never said that it was unsolicited what I am saying is your in a debate with a guy...about women and the guy isn't listening and another guy could use your advice and it's almost certainly going to be far better than any guy myself included could offer him...

I don't turn to my guy friends for advice on women lol, it would be utterly ridiculous 99.9% of the time... at least compared to the opportunity to take a womans advice...

reply to post by mopusvindictus


u r handing women too much power. and from my understanding women generally dont pursue power, unlike men they dont care for what power represents, whatever that may be. i dont see a need for a tug of war, if one wants a relationship with someone then they will do whatever is possible to keep it naturally without compromising their principles.


[edit on 19-8-2008 by DuneKnight]

Originally posted by DuneKnight
reply to post by mopusvindictus

 

are u a guy lol have u been castrated? u are no doubt the most feminist of feminists i ever seen. u dont have to make our gender inferior to prove a point. i dont see it that way, men are like women in all regards; they just approach things differently. and sex is not the goal in life either, its vital but not the most important. i think the most important thing is satisfaction with what u got.

Inferior..no, just in certain areas maybe...

and amen to your words at the botom there..absolutely true...

I'm talking about one thing only...sexual equality, an attractive woman is... an attractor, few men are to that degree..there are some, but women I think have mor immunity to it anyway even when you get a rare guy that has that kind of attraction to women...

and in terms about boasting about prowess and ability to orgasm and give pleasure...

The women win by a power... it's not even a close race, you will never ever see in rl or in a porno one Guy pleasing and satisfying multiple women in an act of intercouse... 2 women and one man ... lol to the finish... it doesn't happen... ever, he will exhaust his capacity long before they do...

I'm not saying thats what any women wants on either end of the spectrum, just that Men do not have the sexual Capacity women do and any guy boasting like he is all that... is nonsense...

a woman can replace a guy easier, she can outlast a guy easier, she can orgasm more and more frequently if she is in touch with herself properly and just... men telling women how virile they are...is kind of a joke... it helps, but... there's just no point to be made...

the whole i'll rock your world mentality is... innane... it's like comparing a horse to a harley

Debate the point all day over 1/3 of women have trouble coming to Orgasm with any man... it's not their problem... it's guys knowledge ability... and far more than all of that... all of sex in western culture revolves around... the Male Orgasm...

You never hear in therapy...

"she comes to fast"
"she doesn't listen"
"I fail to achieve orgasm with her"
"she falls asleep right after sex and I want more"
" she doesn't give me enough foreplay for me to be ready"


It just barely or doesn't exist... the reality is it's not their fault it's the guys fault and abilities... 80% of divorces it's the women leaving men... more than half say "sexual disatisfaction' as the reason

and it's the result of men... and this whole thread is about men ignoring women, masturbating to porn too much and... when it breaks down... it's over all the guys not satisfying the women...

and... Cumming 7x isn't the problem...the problem is making them orgasm... It doesn't matter if a guy can orgasm 10 x he still has to address Her Orgasm

Originally posted by DuneKnight
reply to post by mopusvindictus

 

u r handing women too much power. and from my understanding women generally dont pursue power, unlike men they dont care for what power represents, whatever that may be. i dont see a need for a tug of war, if one wants a relationship with someone then they will do whatever is possible to keep it naturally without compromising their principles.


[edit on 19-8-2008 by DuneKnight]

Well yeah! You don't pursue what you already have in life... Women don't need cars or money or a fancy house or any of that to get a companion in life...they have the power already...

Men line up to offer those things, a good looking enough women doesn't have to work if she doesn't want to in her adult life... men will line up and offer it...

NO...lol they don't want power they already have enough to impress us already if they are attractive...

so yeah... my point exactly, they have the upper hand, i'm not handing power lol, I don't have it to hand!

I'm just willing to acknowledge that...we pursue, we seek power to impress them...

we don't see women looking for mail order brides... if they go to a strip club it's usually as a goof... they don't bother as much with porn because they don't go through the same kind of effort to get sex we do it... so there is no urge to be lazy about it...they can be lazy about it and it will come to them...

and...maybe sometimes it doesn't feel right as a match for a guy... but how oftern does a guy walk away from a pretty girl saying "she couldn't satisfy me"... friggin almost never...

But hand power... no, just be a sport and acknowledge they have that power...it makes life easier and lets a person be more realistic and in that you have a hope of happiness... not living a lie...

What are the numbers of Women that Stalk Men lol...compared to vice versa?

How often is a woman given a phone number without doing everything... Illusion lol...you refered to it as...assaulted lol I believe... I'm a great looking guy I don;t remember the last time a woman randomly ran up to my car and gave me a number... it' has happened but lol...not regularly

when as a guy do you go out and women start buying you drinks Rofl...

How many men as opposed to women are paid for sex and LOl, lol... of them... how many clients can they handle a week...

Sexually women are ferraris and we are mostly Volkswagen bugs...

How many magazines are there that cater to images of men compared to magazines that feature women?

How many strip clubs in your town for men to go to compared to women...

Male escort services that aren't gay?

How many jobs have you or your friends had that require you to get opaid WELL for standing around and looking good?

How many Male super models can you name compared to women?



I mean sheeeesh what exactly is the denial here... and lol, i'm not a radical femisit...i'm just a realist

reply to post by mopusvindictus


i think u r confusing sexual roles and these roles usually complement each other. basically what u r saying is that women arent watching porn as much as men because they dont need it, they can have what they are looking for right of the bat, but then why are women today most depressed and frustrated then? if things are that easy for women as u claim then why the problem that exists. is it because men confine them?
well no its because women dont come with a self-manual; even though there are massive opportunities for women, all these choices can create a dilemma whilst guys usually just end up with whoever appreciates them. the roles for women arent pre-defined anymore so they have to start from the ground up until they realize who they are. same thing with sex, ive heard that in order for women to like sex they have to know what they want first. and i guess with great power comes great responsibility.

[edit on 19-8-2008 by DuneKnight]

and lol, lol... Men think more rationally?

Which sex forms armies and which sex has things set up to 99.9 % of the world never go fight anywhere ever...

when was the last time the Amazons came marching into some country...

Again man, not feminism...realism, the world is far too lopsided and iot's us, guys who ar afraid to let them run anything, it';s some... I dunno, assault on our masculinity for alot of men to let them handle anything...

I just ask myself... all the time in a world on the brink of war over ... Religion in some part... "Why the heck are guys in charge of spirituality?"

and I can never find an answer beyond men like to control everything... and are utterly neurotic about it...

Like most guys... I have mostly guy friends and... of all of them ... barely any of them have a truely spiritual bone in their bodies lol....

My guy friends don't do anything...ever lol to make the world a more beutiful place... they don;t pick their socks up off the floor when company comes over let alone... tend the plants and arrange flowers and ...decorate the house lol...

They don't give birth...I know some guys who make a show of dealing with infants but in the nurturing dept we mostly FAIL Rofl...

You know if you want a steak...send out Joe... he will get one... it's not about superiority or women can't.... but guys are good at...killing and building and...all sorts of stuff lol...

But how the hell did we ever decide we knew more about G-d or spirituality or peace on Earth... what the heck good are male priests for? Molestation of young boys lol...

I just say...

Give women respect for what they are better at...giving pleasure is one of those things....

Spirituality I think is another....

I know everyone is different...some guys are great at making things beautiful and do wonderful with babies and respect human life... I know a few...2 of 3 of them are Homosexual...but they are guys lol...

there are girls that make great hunters...never actually met one...lol, but they must be out there...

But overall... women have there areas where they are superior just like we do... and we do...we over run them on brute force on everything in society...

I mean one day, someone will explain to me...how there is a Pope and an Ayatollah...but no popess... (rofl could that be a word)

I get the male drive to be the best at everything... but i'm just, too intellectual tolet it get in my face in place of what's obvious...