"The Porn Myth"

Originally posted by DuneKnight

Originally posted by Res Ipsa

Originally posted by Sonya610

But in reality, a good lover that really seeks to please knows to JUST ASK. If I am really into a partner and really want to please, vs. just letting the chips fall where they may, I ask.

Ding. Ding. to my young male friends out there, do you hear what she is saying? Now there are plenty of scenerios where this becomes less or more realiable but as a general rule.....if you are dating a woman and are wondering where you stand, well, "...letting the chips fall where they may" when it comes to sex, doesn't bode well for you. Take heed my young padawans. Communication is always a good sign.

This is even more true for you females. If we don't ask....we don't care. aint that right my sociopathic friend, Mr. Everythingyoudespise?
(if you sleep with a guy like that before you knew this about him, and it bothers you....well blame yourself equally.)

ya right what bull is this, men should never ask, they should already know. asking should only be a last resort or if the relationship has been going on for years non-stop. never ask for directions. if you do then obviously you are just winging it and that looks terrible, she will not hang around much and she would rather follow someone who actually PRETENDS to know whats hes doing. women like surprises, so you better surprise her. its a huge turn-off if u ask.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by DuneKnight]

All right Dune! the charade is over....you are some 15yr old kid typing from your parents basement in Chicago aren't you....it would explain your not liking Farve. But you blew it with this last post. "asking should only be a last resort" etc...etc.... come on!

....but seriously if you really are from Egypt please accept my sincere apologies but for now I think you are playing.

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i think its very ignorant of you to say ahmadinajahd whatever his name is as my leader because he isnt. but im not gonna talk about that. first of all there are lots of gay people here and i know some of them and they arent hiding or something like that at all. we even have a gay celebrity who is a TV actor ever since the 60s.

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"asking should only be a last resort" ....makes sense to me, whats ur problem?

edit: i starred your post for effort though

[edit on 7-8-2008 by DuneKnight]

Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Here's an interesting thing for you. Audie Murphy, the most decorated hero of WWII, was 5'5" tall. Want to bet that if here were around today, at the height of his youth, most women would dismiss him as being "not manly enough".

It seems like you are blaming woman for this???? It's human nature. It may not be his fault that he's 5'5", but it is his fault if he can't get a girl to be attracted to him just because he is short.

Most of the women I've dated over the last few years are my height or taller than me. I'm 5'8, barely. If a girl knows you don't care about being shorter than her, this is usually done through body language, then she's not going to care.

Young men have learned today that it is the APPEARANCE of certain traits that will get you in a woman's pants, not actually POSSESSING those traits. There is an entire industry devoted on making it easier for a guy to get in a woman's pants. A&E even had a show on about it.

For the most part, that industry is designed to show guys, who have problems meeting women, what they're doing wrong. Unless you power, money or fame, it takes an understanding of how attraction is built. So these guys are taught how to overcome social awkwardness and fear and are taught how to be attractive. What one does with that knowledge is up the student.

Men are learning "tricks" to get in a woman's pants, BECAUSE THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY EXCLUDED, A PRIORI, FROM EVEN BEING IN THE "CONTEST".

There aren't any tricks. There are just guys who know how attraction is built between two people. Some of those guys use it to their advantage and treat women like meat. Those guys were a$$holes before they learned it anyway. I, however, am not. I love women. I understand the processes that take place between men and women and while I don't use them to treat women like crap, I do use them to give myself and advantage over other, less qualified jerks. Wow, that sounded cocky.

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"As a man, I resent that. It is not our responsibility to provide you with any additional pleasure during sex than the incidental enjoyment you may or may not receive while we obtain our goal. You can easily get off on your own time, and you should. If I'm pre-occupied with trying to please you, it will dull my own pleasures. That is not a sacrifice I am willing to make! "

You know, some women need an emotional bond to get off.
Like, for example, me.
I can't even get aroused on my own, let alone reach orgasm. I don't see any reason why I should be aroused by myself, really. I'm not the type of girl I go for

And just as it's "not your responsibility" to provide us with pleasure during sex, it's not OUR responsibility to let you anywhere near us, let alone inside of us. Hell, you can get off on your own too, obviously. With that attitude, you'll never be in a meaningful relationship, which from your posts I can gather that you don't even really want to.

Sucks to think that there might be a day when you actually want someone to love you, and you won't know how to get that.
Oh well. You're either a very good troll, or someone who doesn't need anyone else, and doesn't want anyone else in their life whatsoever.
Either way, you don't represent any significant portion of the male population, so I won't bother to invest much more time/effort in this.

Bravo. You're either very talented, or at the least very unique. I just hope some of the women (and men) you've pissed off here. I, for one, think it's hilarious that anyone could think like you. I'm sure it saves you quite a bit of heartache, but it also takes away the good parts of life.

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on to another topic, I see some people claiming men crying is terrible.
I agree if it's stupid, "they cancelled my favorite tv show, we're out of chips, etc" but then again, who am I to judge, I've been victim to hormonal over-crying before so I tend to be more leniant.
I think in theory if a man CAN cry, and can accept that he is subject to emotions, thats a good thing. But its also a good thing if he can control it when I need his strength. Or a spider killed.....
Don't want no bug-phobic men. Then the bugs would just keep living in the damn house and breed and neither of us would work up the nerve to kill it.....If I wasn't such a wimp it wouldn't be as important

Originally posted by ADisbeliever
Porn having negative effects on society is no coincidence, you will find that 99% of mainstream porn is produced by zionist jews. This is their plan all along. Zionists will stop at nothing to destabilize society.

I'm shocked that it took 18 pages before this brilliant point was made! Of course the Jews are to blame.

Originally posted by DuneKnightya right what bull is this, men should never ask, they should already know. asking should only be a last resort or if the relationship has been going on for years non-stop. never ask for directions. if you do then obviously you are just winging it and that looks terrible, she will not hang around much and she would rather follow someone who actually PRETENDS to know whats hes doing. women like surprises, so you better surprise her. its a huge turn-off if u ask.

Uhh...unless you know something about her tastes beforehand, asking is only polite. Styles vary GREATLY. For instance rough vs. soft, HUGE difference, especially for females. If they prefer it one way and you go the other, best case scenario they are not impressed. Worst case scenario you get snapped at and even cussed at.

Think of it like this, if you were cooking dinner to impress someone, would you ask them what they prefer? Chicken or steak for example? Or would you just plan to cook what you think they would like and go through all the work of shopping and and preparing the food and not worry if they are eating and secretly suffering because it turns out they hate garlic and shrimp. No one with common sense would do that, not if they wanted to enjoy cooking for that person in the future.



[edit on 7-8-2008 by Sonya610]

All right then Dune. I will accept you are from the East then. I will also explain that I was being sardonic with you about Ahmadinejad. I took offense that you would suggest that Farve was gay. I returned your ignorance with an equally blatant statement. I do know the difference between Iran and Egypt.

Now, since I will treat you as being from where you say you are from, I will cut you all sorts of slack.

Sonya pretty much explained it to you I think. But just to emphasize it again. You can't "pretend" you know what your doing and be Don Juan, women all have some subtle and not so sublte differences when it comes to being happy in bed.

If you are going to sleep around than you need to be a quick learner and figure out what type of woman you are with and even that can change depending on the mood she is in. If you can read signals then you don't have to ask much. But no woman is going to complain if you do.

If you are in a committed relationship or married, well then communication is a must. It isn't just about giving direction but about being intimate. "Roll over honey" isn't the communication I am talking about either.

So my Dune friend, the sooner you forget what you think a man should do to be good in bed.....the sooner you will be a man that is good in bed.

Originally posted by Res Ipsa
All right then Dune. I will accept you are from the East then.

If he is from egypt then its a whole other world. Not much premaritial sex, and most egyptian women are cut which does not help matters any. He will find a wife that will "do her duty" and he will think its all good. That will be all he knows, he will think its okay (or he will think women just don't like sex that much).

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by DuneKnightya right what bull is this, men should never ask, they should already know. asking should only be a last resort or if the relationship has been going on for years non-stop. never ask for directions. if you do then obviously you are just winging it and that looks terrible, she will not hang around much and she would rather follow someone who actually PRETENDS to know whats hes doing. women like surprises, so you better surprise her. its a huge turn-off if u ask.

Uhh...unless you know something about her tastes beforehand, asking is only polite. Styles vary GREATLY. For instance rough vs. soft, HUGE difference, especially for females. If they prefer it one way and you go the other, best case scenario they are not impressed. Worst case scenario you get snapped at and even cussed at.

Think of it like this, if you were cooking dinner to impress someone, would you ask them what they prefer? Chicken or steak for example? Or would you just plan to cook what you think they would like and go through all the work of shopping and and preparing the food and not worry if they are eating and secretly suffering because it turns out they hate garlic and shrimp. No one with common sense would do that, not if they wanted to enjoy cooking for that person in the future.

well i think its better if someone takes his chances, plus who wants to know anyway what his partner's preferences are beforehand? thats very anti-climatic. i rather discover it myself because once you learn something beforehand then whats the point of the whole thing it will just end up being boring like porn. and for a fact women dont know what they want so no one should take their word for it; either u get it right the first time which proves compatibility or it will have to be trial and error then which proves ur will?! idk!

Originally posted by DuneKnight
well i think its better if someone takes his chances, plus who wants to know anyway what his partner's preferences are beforehand? thats very anti-climatic.

If you are really egyptian it probably doesn't matter does it? You will probably marry a virgin, or a near virgin, and if the sex is horrible she will be stuck with you regardless.

Oh and if you do marry a virgin, don't buy into that crazy western "lube" stuff. If she screams or groans her first time no worries, its not from pain, oh no, its her appreciating your natural style.



[edit on 7-8-2008 by Sonya610]

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haha i lived most of my life outside this harsh place harboring a bedlam of beings and im not staying for long but yeah im sort of an outsider here coz i fail to understand the culture and the language.

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by DuneKnight
well i think its better if someone takes his chances, plus who wants to know anyway what his partner's preferences are beforehand? thats very anti-climatic.

If you are really egyptian it probably doesn't matter does it? You will probably marry a virgin, or a near virgin, and if the sex is horrible she will be stuck with you regardless.

Oh and if you do marry a virgin, don't buy into that crazy western "lube" stuff. If she screams or groans her first time no worries, its not from pain, oh no, its her appreciating your natural style.

very funny, but you are half right women here arent THAT attuned to their sexuality but not all, but may i ask whats a 'near virgin'? and u misunderstood what i was saying in the first place but i'll it slide.




[edit on 7-8-2008 by DuneKnight]

Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise
mod edit - removed material

AHAHAHA
okay.
Thaaaaat....was pretty funny.
Best of all is the lingering feeling that you might ACTUALLY be serious about that. Which only serves to make it funnier.
Better than any of the sitcoms I've seen tonight, that's for sure.

What an amazing way to play russian roulette with keeping your testicles attached to your body. I'd lol.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by elevatedone]

I am a male who has finally released porn. I was at the point I preferred porn than real women. I can not describe how it happened, but I am now honestly disgusted by porn. I do not care for pictures or movies at all anymore. I no longer own any movies and have thrown away magazines. It truly disgusts me now. I am now trying to get my libido back and find a meaningful relationship. The bad part is my last g/f turned me on to more porn than I ever could imagine. She knew every site on the internet and was always asking me to get new movies. Personally I believe porn has effected the libido of this culture. Maybe I am wrong.

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Dude! have you slept with anyone who wasnt a hooker? i hope no one takes ur advise and does ur satanic rituals. though i like how u say "I don't want to be anymore graphic than that because it would be inappropriate, but you get the idea"; as though you werent graphic enough.

but clearly that is who u are and u also got 'Sade, Juliette' as ur signature so congrats on being the most messed up dude i ever met on ATS. You are probably the type of guy that gives hookers horror stories to talk about with their hooker friends. you are probably mentioned somewhere as this pervert who likes to do that and that, you dont make this easy for them.

Originally posted by BiohazardsBackAHAHAHA
okay.
Thaaaaat....was pretty funny.
Best of all is the lingering feeling that you might ACTUALLY be serious about that.

If he could get away with it he probably would! But I have not seen any comments that hint at a willingness to committ assault and battery (and deal with the legal consequences), but we have read a LOT about women nagging, so nahhh.

Sociopaths may not care about most others, but they do care a LOT about themselves, and if you know they do not want to put themselves in bad situations (i.e. prison) you can trust the boundaries they set in that regard. But if he could talk OTHERS into doing it, and have them risk prison, now that would probably be a vicarious thrill, especially if they were willing to send pics.

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Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by BiohazardsBackAHAHAHA


If he could get away with it he probably would! But I have not seen any comments that hint at a willingness to committ assault and battery (and deal with the legal consequences), but we have read a LOT about women nagging, so nahhh.

Sociopaths may not care about most others, but they do care a LOT about themselves, and if you know they do not want to put themselves in bad situations (i.e. prison) you can trust the boundaries they set in that regard.

[edit on 8-8-2008 by Sonya610]

I was going to give Phoenix a heads up before but it was just way off topic.
But I don't want people thinking that a sociopath isn't volitionally impared like you suggest. I would argue that the only real difference between a sociopath and psychopath is determined by the degree of impared volition.

I guess it could be tied to the porn discussion because like porn, I just avoid known sociopaths or psychopaths. There is no curiousity there anymore with either. I spent 10 years treating and guarding them (Sexual psychopathic personalities) but I'm not claiming to be an expert.
and to be fair, the mods deleted his last post before I read it, so I am going on some of your responses, Sonya's sociopaths have boundaries misconception and what I have read from his postings all ready.

....oh and my buddy Dune.......man dude did your older brother or dad from America write your last post? You have stepped it up