Canada loosed Freedom of Speech, Socialist Repbulic Born

Canada has recently been loosing much of its freedoms due to radical leftist politics that border on socialism. Canadians are slowly but surely loosing many rights they took for granted with new legislation and bills being initiated by religious extremist(Muslims) and far left proponents. This could be another "Cuba to the North"
www.cfrb.com...

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You're not Mr Current Event are you? Canada never had "freedom of speech" US style. As to our political climate, we are experiencing about as conservative a gov't we can without a military take over.

Mr current, lol, good one> Up until recent Canada has experienced a freedom of speech not seen in the past in Canada. Newspaper and Television has had a boost on what they have been able to say. Bills of freedom of speech have been introduced even though they have been shot down Canada was moving closer to a true Republic. Now with the onset of a major extremist muslim party and the far left has been able to come together to start restricting Canada. So in essence you guys are going backwards. Although when the Muslims extremists are done with the far left Canadian party they will go after their politics. Its a union of convenience.

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OK, you've got a problem with Muslims. What you have stated though is exactly the opposite of what is happening here. I have NO idea where you're getting your info from but it's WAY off.

Republic?
We are a socialist democracy
The agenda that is in play not only in Canada but all over the world,is the coming into view of the NWO.
Americans can look no further than their watered down Constitution to this
agenda has already started to take shape in America as well.

You will die in the streets defending America or accept what is coming either way it is still going to happen .

Bush started the ball rolling
Clinton followed up
Bush 2 started the talks rolling
Obama will be the man that will equalize all Americans ,bring the black and natives up to parity with Whites.
and if he doesn't get the job done the next President after him will get it done.
No matter who is President the agenda is NWO
America is broken financially ,morally,the justice sytem if broken,army broken. Everything is in decay from infrastructure to Government.It is time for AMerica to join the world.
Thats the message,the reality is the powers that be want to control Mankind, have all the tools and force to get it done. Apart from aminority of people that are wise to their machinations who are a minority. The vast majority are so stupid they can be sold the brooklyn Bridge.

I have no problem with Muslims. I have very good friends that are Muslims, I do have a problem with extremists of any race, color, religion, political party. As for where I get my info, it comes straight from the Steyn problem and your parliament records that get posted for all to read what is going on your country. If you think I am wrong or the information I present is wrong, then I ask you to post proof of your rebuttals. Just because you want to stick your head in the ground and not see whats going on around is not my problem. If you turn out to be a far left extremist, then I am not even going to bother replying to you. Like I said before I have problem with people who cannot accept other peoples opinions or concede they may have some insight that your environment has keep you blind too. If you have proof or some knowledge that I am not privy too pls post it, I want to see it. Please keep it to public facts, not far loony web sites the are unvalidated and unchecked by its moderators.

My first clue that a person has nothing to debate except their twisted idea's is when they pull the race card out so quick. You pulled the race card immediately because you had nothing else to come back with. That to me is an insight into your personality. Ill ask you, do you have a problem with Independent Americans? Do you have a problem with Americans in general? Are you a US hater?

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What are you going to say when Obama doesnt win? lol Solo1 I have seen enough of your posts to know your an idealog and an extremist in your views. Which in a way just you posting to this thread proves my point.

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Solo you are a constant abuser of anything American. You are quick to point and wag your forum finger at us but there are issues I would like to ask you about that pertain to your country.

1 You constantly abuse us for our government, but its a widely know fact that the level of corruption in government is topped by your government. There is absolutely no accountability in your government, whereas in our government at least we can get some answers and prosecute villains now and then.
2 Health Care, need I say more. Its is such a disarray, your health care system is a badge the anti health care people in America hold up. Look how crappy Canada's system is going, government health care doesn't work and they are proof. Explain that?
3 You have a major imbalance of Provincial and Federal Powers. That is a proven fact.
4 Aboriginal Accountability
5 No armed forces to speak off, you rely solely on us, yet every breath out of your mouth is disdain.
6 A top heavy Public Service
7 Immigration

Those are problems you bitch about America yet your country is about to drown in them. Have you heard the word Hypocrite

It seems you have no clue about Canadian politics. First off let's set the stage...
Currently there are 3 parties that hold seats in parliament in Canada, those being The Conservative Party, The Liberal Part, and the New Democrat Party. The majority currently being held by the Conservatives. So holding a majority the Conservatives can vote down any bill they see fit. Furthermore the only way a private members bill ( non parliament initiated bill, ie religious extremist (Muslims) and far left proponents ) is to go through Senate, which is basically an Old Boys club of whoever the PM wants to have in senate ( Technically the Governor General appoints senate, however he/she does so under the advice of the PM. ).
So you think the Conservative Party of Canada is putting through extreme leftist bills?
Also you link is about an article in McLean's magazine.

PS Canada does have freedom of expression, thought, speech and media. 'US STYLE'. I am not sure where you are getting your information from.

"loosed"? Mmm...plucky is confused. I have never seen that word before. Can you clarify? Otherwise, I am loost...I mean, lost.

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Agree. I think I just saw credibility flying out of the window.

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'Loosed' means 'to have released', for example: "I have loosed my powers of grammatical criticism."

loosed
transitive verb
1 a: to let loose : release b: to free from restraint
2: to make loose : untie "loose a knot"
3: to cast loose : detach
4: to let fly : discharge
5: to make less rigid, tight, or strict : relax
intransitive verb:
to let fly a missile (as an arrow) : fire
Source

Originally posted by alienj
1 You constantly abuse us for our government, but its a widely know fact that the level of corruption in government is topped by your government. There is absolutely no accountability in your government, whereas in our government at least we can get some answers and prosecute villains now and then.

There is corruption in all governments. IMO the former Liberal regime was probably the most corrupt regime Canada's had in a long while, if ever, just like the current U.S regime is one the most corrupt in US history

2 Health Care, need I say more. Its is such a disarray, your health care system is a badge the anti health care people in America hold up. Look how crappy Canada's system is going, government health care doesn't work and they are proof. Explain that?

The shortage of doctors is the only issue I have with our health care system. It would be fixable if we'd pay doctors more, so they all don't go south for the $..

3 You have a major imbalance of Provincial and Federal Powers. That is a proven fact.

Got any 'facts' to back that up?

5 No armed forces to speak off

Tell that to the thousands of Canadian soldiers in Kabul, fighting in a war your president started..

you rely solely on us, yet every breath out of your mouth is disdain.

Protect us from who exactly? The only country I could ever sea invading Canada would be the U.S..

6 A top heavy Public Service

I totally agree

7 Immigration

What is the problem with immigration exactly?



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Originally posted by alienj
Canada has recently been loosing much of its freedoms due to radical leftist politics that border on socialism. Canadians are slowly but surely loosing many rights they took for granted with new legislation and bills being initiated by religious extremist(Muslims) and far left proponents. This could be another "Cuba to the North"
www.cfrb.com...

[edit on 4-8-2008 by alienj]

If you think us Canadians are socialist, you guys just wait until Obama gets elected.

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I am Canadian, and this description of the Canadian political environment is just fantasy, and negative fantasy at that.

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You haven't had many of your freedoms for a very long time. You have accepted default benefits within statutes and in so doing have given up many of your rights within the bill of rights with your signature or by tacit agreement. You can however reclaim your rights, and through the right of contract decide which you want to participate in. Example, do you want to be the artificial person - Driver(motor vehicle act), Officer (cpp act), Worker(workers compensation act) etc ? These statutes redefine who you are. Under the Canadian bill of rights r.s.c 1985,c 44 ,"the right of the INDIVIDUAL extends to natural persons only, and not to corporations." Yet you will not see any mention of this individual with statutes unless they have redefined it (to suit the scam), in their definition section of the statute. Start becoming aware of how statutes work and are constructed.

A quote from another ATS member
Posted by battleofbatoche

Canada is run as an abandoned British Warship seized by the Rothschild's under Roman salvaging laws. This ship (citizenship, townSHIP, recieverSHIP, leaderSHIP, etc) has been converted to a corporate vessel where everyone is undertaking a maritime voyage as an officer. The ship is insured or underwritten by the IMF so we pay income tax.

Then there are those who have become free-men-on-the-land through Section 39, 126 & 127 of the criminal code of Canada who use a Notice of Intent & Understanding followed by a Claim of Right who exist FREE of all gov't statues, by-laws, & codes provided they keep the peace and donot break the basic 10 commandments.

END QUOTE

And Remember...

A natural person has the right to contract because , upon our birth we are endowed with the gift of freewill, and the natural right to self determination. This natural right can be exercised with or without knowledge to enter into legally binding contracts, the responsibility and choice is yours.

Canadian Law dictionary Th ed pg 163

Contract- A contract is a legally recognized agreement between two or more persons, giving rise to obligations that may be enforced in the courts. By such agreements the parties not only restrict their present or future freedom to act , by the limitations imposed upon themselves by the agreement , they are creating a set of legal rules , binding as regards to themselves and only themselves

So .. the power you have is you can literally take control and deal under these private contracts., but if your unaware of your power you'll fall into the default benefit systems the Government has created.

Freedom of Contract Canadian Law Dictionary 5th ed pg 115

The ability of parties to agree to the most advantageous bargain between them without interference from the courts. In the eighteenth century there was little restriction placed on this freedom, the philosophy being that men could pursue their interests in the way they saw fit and that the duty of the law was merely to give effect to the intentions of the parties. This position still finds expression today.

So .. we have a powerful right to structure our life and our work relationships the way that we want.

Privity of Contract Canadian law dictionary 5th ed Page 220

The doctrine where by one can enforce contractual rights against another only if one was party to the contract. Under the general doctrine of privity of contract, no one who is not an original party to a contract is entitled to seek to enforce the terms of the contract or is bound by any of it provisions.

Some ways to exercise your rights - THE COMMON OPTION

- If you want you can voluntarily represent the taxpayer.

-Work for the taxpayer for the benefits of CPP (although there are many private pension plans that perform better).

-File an Income Tax Return for the taxpayer you represent.

-Learn the limited rights of the taxpayer.

-Obey every law applicable to the taxpayer.

-Just remember the taxpayer is an artificial person.

-It can't be hurt and has no feelings

-It's creator leaves it with only enough to survive.

-It's creator is more concerned about it's OWN survival

REMEMBER Your human rights don't apply to the taxpayer


The Forgotten Option

-To earn a living to sustain your life

-Exercises your "liberty" and present yourself as a natural person.

-Exchange your physical and intellectual "property" for compensation.

-Only choose benefits you are willing to pay the price for.

-Don't remain disadvantaged and let others choose for you.

-Become personally responsible and learn to exercise your rights.

-Never again let deception of man destroy your gift of freedom.

Learn to live with respect for moral and spiritual values and the rule of law, so you can become healthy wealthy and wise.

Summary:

Default Contract of service

Relationship = Government servant (like Ronald Reagan once said" The taxpayer - that's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination")

ID required = Social insurance number

Payment = Taxable renumeration

Mandatory Benefit

Canadian pension plan = Officer (artificial person)

Employment insurance = Insured Person (artificial person)

Workers Compensation = Worker (atificial person)

You are one of two things,

Slaves living in the Illusion of freedom

OR

Free living in an Illusion of slavery

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A thread worth reading on ATS thats called Choosing Freedom Lots of good info here.

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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
It seems you have no clue about Canadian politics. First off let's set the stage...
Currently there are 3 parties that hold seats in parliament in Canada, those being The Conservative Party, The Liberal Part, and the New Democrat Party. The majority currently being held by the Conservatives.

It seems you are equally clueless. The conservative government is a minority governenment, actually the longest running minority government in Canadian history. Even though the prime minister is Conservative, the majority of seats are held by Liberals.