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reply posted on 4-8-2008 @ 06:33 PM by GideonHM
Originally posted by bugs_n_recovery
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Hm very interesting I never heard of it until now...


If organized religion is the opium of the masses, then disorganized religion smokes the marijuana of the lunatic fringe.

—Kerry Thornley, The introduction to the Principia Discordia 5th Ed.


Ahh, yes.
I think that is very fitting indeed.
I see Discord as a fundamental operator of the Universe herself. Balance is attained through constant interaction of opposing forces, that blend and create not only black and white, but all the shades of grey and all the colors of the spectrum. Look at the symbol of Discordianism. Two cresents seperated by a line. Balance.

How you look at Discord is why so many Discordians are so different. Everyone creates discord. Cause and effect. Creation and destruction. We bend reality simply by existing. Would the people who live with and around you be exactly the same if you never existed? No. Hense why everyone is a Discordian whether or not you accept it or want to be.

Has nothing to do with my agreement with it, rather we all create change and all are included. By accepting the contradictions in our lives, we can gain a deeper understanding of the Universe herself.

Yes and no can exist at the same time, simply because we can conceive it to be. Think about that.


reply posted on 4-8-2008 @ 06:35 PM by GideonHM
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst



Umm, You are saying I said things that I did not.

Nowhere did I say Christians are smug. Also, you are lumping me in with people whom I do not fully agree with, and not to mention the spectrum between Discordianism and Satanism are quite vivid and varied.

That's ok. At least you weren't being a jerk, and I appreciate that.

[edit on 4-8-2008 by GideonHM]


reply posted on 4-8-2008 @ 09:53 PM by NOTurTypical
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst




Maybe instead of hoaxes to make Christians more confused than they already are, you can do a few practical jokes that make people think a bit more.


Excuse me?

I for one can attest to the fact that I was confused BEFORE I became a Christian.

The best years of my life have been spent knowing the Lord.

True confusion was wondering daily if I had done enough to make it to heaven.

Now I have Holy assurance of salvation through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

Life couldn't possibly be sweeter.


reply posted on 4-8-2008 @ 10:36 PM by For(Home)Country
reply to post by NOTurTypical



Yea, there is much truth here. People walk away from Christanity because they see it as a set of rules to make their life not fun. You know what? Sure, there are certain things I must abide by as a Christian if I want my life to actually be positivly impacting, but I would rather be bound by the confines of Christanity (if you can call it that, I prefer calling it a relationship with Jesus Christ in Heaven) and spend eternal life in Heaven with the one that created me, than live how ever I want to, and end up in a not so nice place to be.

My pastor once brought up this situation in a church service, and it made much sense:
So, two men sit down together, one a Christian, one not. They begin discussing the after life. The non Christian asks the Christian: "So, how would you feel if you lived all this time with all these rules, only to find out Christianity, God, and Jesus, was all just a myth. How would you feel then?"
The Christian replies: "Well, okay, for a moment, we'll pretend that you're right, and Christianity is a hoax. Well, I die, and nothing happens. So, how do I feel? Well, lets see. I've lived my life trying to help others for the better, spreading God's live, and finding peace and fulfilment in God's word. Now that I'm dead, and none of it exists, I guess it really never mattered. But the important part is, I don't regret it. I lived a good life, and did what I thought was right, and now that I'm dead, no big deal. Worst case scenario. But in the best case scenario, let's say that I am right, and Christianity isn't a hoax. Well then, I go to heaven, and live for eternity with God. As you can see, its a win win."

Telling from this small story (if it makes sense), we can see that even if Christianity is a hoax (which it isn't) regardless, it is a useful, helpful and loving doctrine that we can live by.


reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 02:16 AM by NOTurTypical
reply to post by For(Home)Country


Where people "see rules to make life not fun", I see a loving father preventing us from hurting ourselves or others around us. Like I said before, God's commandments are not for bondage, they are for PROTECTION.

Sure, getting drunk on a regular basis is fun! Where does it lead? Alcoholism then death. Sure, snorting coke is a ton of fun! But where does it lead? Poverty, addiction, then death. Sure, adultry is fun! But where does it lead? Lost marriage, possible STDs, then death. And I could go on and on and on with examples.

Just as i expect my Earthly father to instruct me so I'd also instruct my heavenly father to as well.

Here is a great analogy to your story:

People who care not about living for God in this short time on Earth and totally forsake the eternity afterwards (are) no different than if Bill Gates were to offer his entire fortune for a shiny quarter.

Now that's asinine.


[edit on 5-8-2008 by NOTurTypical]


reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 12:01 PM by 8pointCompass
reply to post by dixi2344



Dude, truth? Really? I don't necessarily want you to change your beliefs, but you have to at least admit that the Bible and Christianity are about faith rather than "truth".

I'm also rather interested in your "true" ten commandments. "4. Don't Murder(self-defense and war is fine.)" War is fine. Isn't diplomacy better though? War isn't murder, it's slaughter; mass-murder. Are you really saying that killing a bunch of people is more justified in God's eyes than killing one?

As far as the ten commandments being easy to follow goes, there are plenty of gray areas.

Don't steal:
Is using bittorrent to download a movie stealing? What if you only watch the movie once? How about movies being streamed over the internet? Are movie studios and movie actors stealing our money with inflated prices? How about the gas companies? They don't need our money. They're clearly stealing, should we facilitate that by continuing to buy gas?

Don't envy:
Don't become consumed with envy. We're human, we all make mistakes. When I see someone drive by in a classic Mustang I think "Man I wish I had a car like that!" Then I think about how much fuel it's V-8 uses and I change my mind.

Don't lie:
Quiz - The nazis are at the door. They want to know if you're hiding any jews. You are. What do you say?

Honor your parents:
Abusive parents don't count.

Nothing is ever as black and white as religious dogma would have you believe.


reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 01:22 PM by mproject
Originally posted by 8pointCompass
reply to
post by dixi2344



Dude, truth? Really? I don't necessarily want you to change your beliefs, but you have to at least admit that the Bible and Christianity are about faith rather than "truth".


yes really, the things i have learnt about the bible is amazing, if you want a quick runthrough i would be honored to show you somelinks

I'm also rather interested in your "true" ten commandments. "4. Don't Murder(self-defense and war is fine.)" War is fine. Isn't diplomacy better though? War isn't murder, it's slaughter; mass-murder. Are you really saying that killing a bunch of people is more justified in God's eyes than killing one?


come on dude thats just changing the direction of the intended explanation just to prove a point, lets be real now,if your home was about to be marched upon by an army and destroyed, you would be coward if you would not take up arms for your family. even ghandi said that. remember theres a difference between murder and killing.

As far as the ten commandments being easy to follow goes, there are plenty of gray areas.

Don't steal:
Is using bittorrent to download a movie stealing? What if you only watch the movie once? How about movies being streamed over the internet? Are movie studios and movie actors stealing our money with inflated prices? How about the gas companies? They don't need our money. They're clearly stealing, should we facilitate that by continuing to buy gas?


good point, well noted

Don't envy:
Don't become consumed with envy. We're human, we all make mistakes. When I see someone drive by in a classic Mustang I think "Man I wish I had a car like that!" Then I think about how much fuel it's V-8 uses and I change my mind.


wishing you had a car, is different from hating the person driving it

Don't lie:
Quiz - The nazis are at the door. They want to know if you're hiding any jews. You are. What do you say?


blood would be on your hands, dude thats a heartless question, who do you think God is?

Honor your parents:
Abusive parents don't count.


agreed, maybe this puts it in better perspective:

Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right,
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

that commandement works both ways

Nothing is ever as black and white as religious dogma would have you believe.


your right, with religious dogma, but with obeying God, ever you do or you dont, theres no inbetween.

we all fall short, heres gods answer to that:

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

hope that explains it better



[edit on 5-8-2008 by mproject]
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