reply to post by Max_TO
Could you perhaps point out a few instances of Jehovah's insanity ? I ask this question as a point of interest , not as a sarcastic remark in
an attempt to put you one the spot .
sure, i'd be happy to.
let's begin at the beginning. jehova creates the heaven and the earth and the beasts and the fruits and the gardens and finally man and then woman
(maybe twice, lilith and eve both, if you believe the kabalists, which i do) and god and adam and eve all live in the garden of eden. now we don't
necessarily believe the Fall is a true story, but we believe something pretty close happened. so what does god do? he creates a tree with forbidden
fruit, and this fruit is the lushest, most perfect fruit in the garden. it's right there, in adam and eve's noses, and then he says don't eat
this or you will be punished
. so the serpent comes along and convinces eve to eat the fruit (the greatest gift anyone ever gave mankind) and she
does and this all loving merciful creator kicks them out, no questions asked and death comes into the world.
later, god finds a man who has always been righteous and upright in his eyes. the man loves and worships god. so to reward him, god says "hey, kill
your son. if you love me, kill your son. sacrifice him unto me, dude".
there is an angel whose job it is to be man's accuser and adversary. he's a professional villain. so he comes to god and says "hey, you know that
guy job?" and god says "yeah, solid guy. always upright in my eyes. loves me to death and i love him above all other mortals". the angel
chuckles and says "bet i can get him to curse you". god says "no way" and the angel says "give me complete power over him. l et me torture him
however i want and you can't intervene or even tell him what's going on. i'll put him through hell and he'll curse you". god says "rock and
roll. let's do this".
look how he treated saul. look how he treated david. look at what he put the prophets through. look at poor moses. all that time in the desert
putting up with the children of israel and he can't even set foot in the promised land because of one transgression.
religious types try to spin these things as examples of god's greatness love and mysterious ways. i know there is a theological rationalization for
every one of them. but how would you feel if a person did stuff like this? what if a mother acted this way toward her daughter or if a guy acted
like this toward his wife and kids? we'd lock them up for their own safety and the safety of those around them.
jehova created a world and then he tried to make up rules nobody could follow, contradictory and confusing rules designed to baffle and enslave. then
he expects to be worshipped as the great benefactor?
as to your other question, we actually have a pretty detailed notion of who and what the individual demons are, although we don't claim to be 100%
sure of everything. most of us think satan and lucifer are different entities and, if we were sticklers, we'd be more luciferians than satanists.
but satanist has a nice ring to it and it's what has been handed down through the years.