Labryinth of Egypt - FOUND ???

It would appear that after years of searching, a team of scientists and historians may be announcing the discovery of the "Labryinth of Egypt" in very soon.

This has been an ongoing search for one of man's most exotic time capsules or libraries or museums ever imagined or created.

More on this subject can be found at this link: Labryinth of Egypt



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I personally believe that there are Labyrinths to be found in Egypt, although official sources are denying it.

Your link however, makes no indication of current happenings, much less upcoming breaking news...

reply to post by Skyfloating


Believe what you will. There is something "significant" in the way of a find and information forthcoming. Stay tuned. Just remember You heard it here 1st.

hmmmmmmm

I've read Herodotus' Histories twice and I didn't remember the wording of that first quote allegedly from Herodotus.

"There I saw twelve palaces regularly disposed, which had communication with each other, interspersed with terraces and arranged around twelve halls. It is hard to believe they are the work of man. The walls are covered with carved figures, and each court is exquisitely built of white marble and surrounded by a colonnade. Near the corner where the labyrinth ends, there is a pyramid, two hundred and forty feet in height, with great carved figures of animals on it and an underground passage by which it can be entered. I was told very credibly that underground chambers and passages connected this pyramid with the pyramids at Memphis."

I note that the quote is given but only by author and not to the book nor text page however I knew approximately where that passage is[Herodotus, histories, Book II Euterpe page 38-39 and went looking

This quote has presented doesn't appear in that book

I've broken down the alleged quote line by line the fake one first then what Herodotus actually said:

"There I saw twelve palaces regularly disposed, which had communication with each other, interspersed with terraces and arranged around twelve halls.

Real: It has twelve courts, all of them roofed, with gates exactly opposite one another, six looking to the north, and six to the south.

It is hard to believe they are the work of man.

Real: The upper chambers, however, I saw with my own eyes, and
found them to excel all other human productions;

The walls are covered with carved figures, and each court is exquisitely built of white marble and surrounded by a colonnade.

Real: The roof was throughout of stone, like the walls; and
the walls were carved all over with figures; every court was
surrounded with a colonnade which was built of white stones
exquisitely fitted together.

Near the corner where the labyrinth ends, there is a pyramid, two hundred and forty feet in height, with great carved figures of animals on it and an underground passage by which it can be entered.

Real: (it should be noted that Herodotus did not see this he is reporting what he was told) It is manifestly an artificial excavation, for nearly in
the centre there stand two pyramids, rising to the height of fifty
fathoms above the surface of the water, and extending as far
beneath, crowned each of them with a colossal statue sitting upon a
throne.

I was told very credibly that underground chambers and passages connected this pyramid with the pyramids at Memphis.

Real: The natives told me that there was a subterranean passage from
this lake to the Libyan Syrtis, running westward into the interior
by the hills above Memphis.

A look at the rest of material also looks to be bogus as well.

The link to Herodotus' Histories, Book II Euterpe

No real researcher will quote a writer without a more accurate cite.





[edit on 3/8/08 by Hanslune]

Originally posted by Evisscerator
Believe what you will. There is something "significant" in the way of a find and information forthcoming. Stay tuned. Just remember You heard it here 1st.

Yes, I know a Labyrinth will be found or has already been found and will be shown to the public.

But your link isnt any indicator of that. Where did you get your info?

The Labyrinth

Is the labby at Hawara?

And what of the structure of the Labyrinth itself at Hawara? There is nothing left. W.M. Flinders Petrie wrote (Ten Years Digging in Egypt, pp. 91-92):

Most Egyptologists are comfortable in equating the labyrinth with the mortuary temple of Amenemhet III at Hawara near Fayyum. There are several reasons for this. Medinet el-Fayyum was also known as Crocodilopolis. The nearby lake is called Lake Moeris (which was named, according to Edwards, not after the pre-nomen of Amenemhet III but after either a town on the lake called Miwer or the canal with the same name that fed the lake, which existed long before his reign). But there are some problems with this site being identified with the labyrinth.

What of the two stone figures rising from the lake? Gardiner speculated that they are "the two colossal statues of Ammenemes III which Petrie found looking out over the lake at Biyahmu" some seven miles south of the lake shore and eight miles north of the funerary temple! Of course, there is no pyramid beneath them.

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Originally posted by Evisscerator
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

Believe what you will. There is something "significant" in the way of a find and information forthcoming. Stay tuned. Just remember You heard it here 1st.

Hah Ha HAhahaHAhaahaAHHaha

Bless yer cotton socks

Heard it hear first huh? from..........YOU, yeah?

Dude!!! I read that ENTIRE site nearly THREE YEARS AGO!!! (It is and EXCELLENT site by the way).

So where's you're SOURCE regarding This VERY specific statement......

It would appear that after years of searching, a team of scientists and historians may be announcing the discovery of the "Labryinth of Egypt" in very soon.

Sorry to bash on you like this dude But yer just can't go around making statements without any SOURCE to verify.

And then saying this after....

Believe what you will. There is something "significant" in the way of a find and information forthcoming. Stay tuned. Just remember You heard it here 1st.

....erm... Heard what? I can assure you, you have said nothing "significant"... and most CERTAINLY not FIRST

Source to INFO or at least your OPINION of the subject, please!

Cheers

AoN

[edit on 8-8-2008 by Anomic of Nihilism]

Now, now Anomic

It's best just to giggle in silence.

Did they not just find a new great pyramid (or the remeins of one) just a little ways away from the three great pyramids. Supposedly belonging to one of the suns of Kufu? I could be wrong, but the above schematic looks a lot like the pyramid layout that I saw in the documentary.

Hold on Ill try and find a link...

"Lost" Pyramid Found Buried in Egypt

Also...'Missing Pyramid' Found by Egyptian Archaeologists

I think there is still a lot buried under the sands of Egypt left to be discovered.

Guys....

The poorly researched website isn't even aware that Memphis (www.ancient-egypt.org...) is about 25 miles south of the Giza plateau -- on the flood plain.

In order to "prove" their theory, they had to lie about what Herodotus said. You can check the original for yourself (Hans provided links) in the original Greek... and get a good giggle at just how many lies they had to do to make it all work.

Whatukno, the pyramid of Djedefre has been known for some time... they didn't get around to excavating it until the last 10 years or so. Because it's in such poor condition (essentially rubble) you could see any tunnels attaching to it (which is not really likely, given the type of stone of that area.

And yes, there's a LOT of unexcavated and undiscovered material in Egypt. Some of it, alas, is underneath modern citie because they tended to rebuild cities as they decayed. So the city of Cairo has important pieces of ancient Egypt under it... only folks wouldn't be too happy about your razing their homes just so you could look for archaeological material.

only folks wouldn't be too happy about your razing their homes

you just have to pay them.... alot

Oh one other comment. That website is a good example of third trier research. Actually I should say a bad example. It gathers information based on fringe websites and books then takes what they say as truthful or correct and then tries to build theories on top of the bad data. Always verify data, especially by people who use limited quotes or make fantastic claims.



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STOP ruining my posts with sound logic and accepted theory!

Sand has a funny way of filling up tunnels, for some strange reason it gets into everything. Thats why I still think that there is more to be discovered underneath the Sphinx and even in the great pyramids themselves.

Zahi Hawass, is often adamant against any new digs or any other kind of research that does not fall within his narrow sense of Egyptology. In the Thousands of years that the great empire of Egypt was around one must assume that a culture would evolve faster than is depicted by Zahi Hawass, and his ilk. Looking at the Romans and Greeks can tell you this, even western civilizations advances in the last 100 years can show that we do not understand completely the whole story of the ancient Egyptians and their culture.

In the Thousands of years that the great empire of Egypt was around one must assume that a culture would evolve faster than is depicted by Zahi Hawass, and his ilk.

Cultures evolve at different rates at different times, they even stagnant and go backwards. China was doing great in the 12-14 century then went into decline. The Tasmanians feel apart. Certain hunter-gathers didn't change their technology or cultures of thousands and thousands of years. The Arabs arose and declined. The Egyptians arose in a burst of activity, fell apart, rebuilt, fell apart, etc.

Even the Greeks and Romans fell apart at times and ultimatiumly failed. The Egyptians did well to go as long as they did.

Mataha Expedition
Hawara 2008
Labyrinth of Egypt

www.mataha.org...
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google translation from knack.be

Fleming finds forgotten labyrinth

26/08/2008 12:00

A Belgian-Egyptian investigation proves the presence of a huge labyrinth in the sand around the pyramid of Hawara. Gangmaker and financier of the project is Flemish artist Louis De Cordier, "The labyrinth is a kennisbastion of the ancient Egyptian culture."

The Egyptian National Research Institute of Astronomy and Geophysics (NRIAG) has published the official results of the scanningsonderzoek below the bottom of the pyramid at the site of Hawara in the Fayoum oasis, eighty kilometres south of Cairo.

It was carried out to establish the precise location of groundwater, that the entire site and its historical monuments affected. Simultaneously, commissioned by the Belgian partners of the University of Ghent, was gespeurd to the colossal tempellabyrint that in the fifth century BC was visited and described by the Greek historian Herodotus.

Since the British archaeologist Flinders Petrie in 1888 suggested that the labyrinth remained nothing more than its concrete foundation, there was no further archaeological research more to happen.

The Flemish artist Louis De Cordier (29) launched the hypothesis that the plate of Petrie sometimes the roof of the labyrinth could, and that the building itself was still below the sand. The Cordier was looking for cooperation with the Ghent University and funded the scanningsproject in Hawara.

A team of twenty geophysicists scanned in the spring of 2008 with six different techniques two major areas to fifteen meters depth. Groundwater was already four metres deep. A meter deeper was the plate of Petrie. And below, yes, the rastervormige pattern of a building, over several hectares. These are hundreds of places of five by five meters, those cells. The high resistivity of the walls indicates a rock that the density of granite. It was also noted that the labyrinth oblique (at an angle between 20 and 25 degrees) in front of the pyramid, just as it was described by Herodotus.

It hoped archaeological continuation of the story is a descent into the labyrinth, and the deciphering of the Greek historian found hieroglyphics. The Cordier, "The labyrinth is a kennisbastion of the ancient Egyptian culture."

Jan Braet

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BTW: This is the evidence that he forgot to give us...



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Latest update!!!

September 19, 2009

The fabled Labyrinth may well have been exposed over the past few days. During the excavation works led by Dr. Zahi Hawass, and based on ground penetrating radar scans, the first stones of what seems to be one of the entrances to this massive Labyrinth can be seen in new pictures that were just made a few days ago.

The alleged Hall of Records is what many archeologists as well as historians and scientists hope to find. According to ancient scripture this room with ancient artifacts and superior knowledge of a forgotten culture would be safeguarded in this room. Finding this room may well change many of the current interpretations of our human evolution and beyond to lost knowledge about our planetary system…

The excavation works don’t come too early as an underground river containing contaminated water runs through the location where earlier GPR scans have found the Hawara Labyrinth. Much of the items that were stored in the Labyrinth, or any of its sacred rooms, may already have been damaged by this water. The first priority of Hawass excavation mission is to drain the Labyrinth and deviate the river around the area. This in itself will prove a big challenge but with such a big potential reward, finding the Hall of Records, nothing should be spared to reach the goal.

These are the images that came from the excavation site clearly showing an underground structure:





www.world-mysteries.com...

more from the above link...

The mission of the Mataha-expedition was, besides preservation, to research the quarry theory by Petrie based on his finding of a great artificial stone surface (304meter on 244meter). Petrie interpreted the enormous artificial stone plateau he discovered at the depth of several meters, as the foundation of the labyrinth, concluding that the building itself was totally demolished, as a stone quarry in the Ptolemaic period. However, the “foundation” impenetrated by early expeditions, never lost the possibility of being the roof of the Labyrinth, described by Strabo as a great plain of stone. The Mataha – expedition research goal was to confirms the presence of archaeological features at the labyrinth area south of the Hawara pyramid of Amenemhet III.



The Mataha-expedition discovered the lost labyrinth of Egypt at Hawara.

A colossal temple described by many classic authors like Herodotus and Strabo, to contain 3000 rooms full of hieroglyphs and paintings. A legendary building lost for 2 millenia under the ancient sands of Egypt. Bringing the highest level of technology to unlock the secrets of the past. The sand of Hawara was scanned earlier this year (February-March 2008) by the Belgian Egyptian expedition team. Although ground penetrating techniques have been used by archaeologists for years, the Mataha-expedition (Mataha = labyrinth in Arabic) was the first to apply this technology at Hawara, to solve the enigma born in the Renaissance for once.

Mataha Expedition: Labyrinth of Egypt at Hawara

The conclusion of the Hawara geophysic-survey is officially released by the Egyptian authorities at the workshop in Cairo organized by the NRIAG on 11 of August 2008. This took place in the presence of some members of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, a representative of UNESCO, professors of international Universities, researchers of Cairo based archaeological institutes and a small selection of specialized archaeological press.



Before taking off with the conclusion, it needs to be said that the presented geo-archaeological results about the Labyrinth were received with positive scepticism by archaeologists and alike, who still prefer to believe actual excavation as confirmation of the discovery, without touching the integrity of the geophysic team professionalism. This feeling of doubt was expected like geophysic technics are new in the field of archaeology. Till very recently geophysics were namely only used by the military and oil industry. All geophysic results regarding the groundwater and the geologic situation, are in contrast fully taken for granted by all parties, and even formed the actual start of the existing preservation master plan for the Hawara archaeological site, by the Egyptian government and the Supreme council of Antiquities.

The mission of the Mataha-expedition was, besides preservation, to research the quarry theory by Petrie based on his finding of a great artificial stone surface (304meter on 244meter). Petrie interpreted the enormous artificial stone plateau he discovered at the depth of several meters, as the foundation of the labyrinth, concluding that the building itself was totally demolished, as a stone quarry in the Ptolemaic period. However, the “foundation” impenetrated by early expeditions, never lost the possibility of being the roof of the Labyrinth, described by Strabo as a great plain of stone.

The Mataha – expedition research confirms the presence of archaeological features at the labyrinth area south of the Hawara pyramid of Amenemhet III. These features covering an underground area of several hectares, have the prominent signature of vertical walls on the geophysical results. The vertical walls with an average thickness of several meters, are connected to shape nearly closed rooms, which are interpreted to be huge in number. Consequently, the geophysic survey initiated with the cordial permission of Dr. Zahi Hawass the president of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, and conducted by the National Research Institute of Astronomy and Geophysics (Helwan, Cairo) with the support of Ghent University, can now officially verify the occurrence of big parts of the Labyrinth as described by the classic authors at the study area. The Labyrinth data are acquired mainly from 2 scanned surfaces at the labyrinth area south of the pyramid. One scan survey of 150m by 100m on the right site of the Bahr Wahbi canal, and one on the left site (80m by 100m). Two considerations regarding the conclusion. Seen the survey provided only two big puzzles, the total size and shape of the labyrinth can not yet been concluded. Secondly, the data of the labyrinth are accurate, because of the exceptional dimensions of the structure, but the geophysic profiles still need some filtration to give more details. Groundwater affected the consistency of the survey. The partial defacement of the data is due to the high salinity of the shallow subsurface water and the seasonal fluctuation of this level. So we recommend also another episode of geophysical survey after the dewatering project to enhance the outcome to great extent.

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In the upper ground zone above the water level, walls appear at the shallow depth ranging between 1,5 to 2,5 meters. These decayed mudbrick features are very chaotic and show no consistent grid structure and can be comfortably related with the historic period of the Ptolemaic and Roman times. A period in which is known, that the labyrinth area was used as a cemetery, and probably also changed to a living area in the Byzantine period. Underneath this upper zone, below the artificial stone surface appears (in spite of the turbid effect of the groundwater) at the depth of 8 to 12 meters a grid structure of gigantic size made of a very high resistivity material like granit stone. This states the presence of a colossal archaeological feature below the labyrinth “foundation” zone of Petrie, which has to be reconsidered as the roof of the still existing labyrinth. The conclusion of the geo-archaeological expedition encounters in a scientific way the idea that the labyrinth was destructed as a stone quary in Ptolemaic times and validates the authenticity of the classical author reports. The massive grid structure of the labyrinth is also out of angle by 20° to 25° from the Hawara pyramid orientation. An analysis shifting the contemporary idea of the labyrinth as funerary temple and its supposed construction age, but on the other hand it hardens Herodotus accuracy, who described the nearby pyramid to be at the corner of the labyrinth. It might even be considered that the remains of the labyrinth run unaffectedly underneath the canal, which crosses the total Hawara area. Like the scanned Labyrinth sections on both sides of Bahr Wahbi canal have similar and parallel grids on the geophysical results.

From a preservative view of the Hawara archaeological site, humanity is now facing a great challenge. The water level, which raised dramatically since the last decades, is detected at a depth of about 4-5 meters below the ground surface at the labyrinth area. Drowning the whole site completely in the corrosive salty water, which agressively destructs the stones of the labyrinth on a great scale. Making environmental protection directly the utmost necessity. UNESCO committee members publicly considered after the official release of the research conclusion at the workshop in Cairo, to mark the total Hawara site “world heritage”, as the first UNESCO step towards the launch of an international safeguarding campaign. This should be a great honour en help, like Hawara not only contains important Middle Kingdom to late Roman antiquities, but also the greatest wonder of the classical world. With the words of Herodotus “surpassing even the great pyramids of Giza”.

In contrast to many sites, which become vulnerable to illegal excavations and theft after the release of their discovery, the Labyrinth is contradictory protected from illegal human activity by the saline water that destroys it. A situation we can not push towards a next generation without presenting an empty box, like all hieroglyphic texts as described by the classic others will be very soon lost forever, eaten out by salt crystals.

An archaeological rescue operation as never seen before will therefore have to be organized, to raise the necessary media attention, experts, technology and funds to start the drainage, protection and the total excavation of the labyrinth of Egypt. The Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities expressed their great devotion and responsibility by announcing the start of the actual renovate master plan for the site, but as a the labyrinth affects the whole world, we are responsible to work together with this great country that bears already the heavy weight to preserve and protect the remains of a giant civilization. A fantastic country with great people, that is reaching a warm hand to the rest of the world to share this new discovered global human heritage.

The Mataha-Expedition team therefore directs the need for any kind of support to all man. We believe that humanity reached the point of civilization to be able to work unconditional together at high efficiency with the honorary aim to protect and discover the colossal stone book that the ancients built with an unimaginable effort of love, to communicate with us from the deep black of time.

Mataha-Expedition website: www.mataha.org...

Herodotus' Egyptian Labyrinth

Even more generally, labyrinth might be applied to any extremely complicated maze-like structure. Herodotus, in Book II of his Histories, describes as a "labyrinth" a building complex in Egypt, "near the place called the City of Crocodiles," that he considered to surpass the pyramids in its astonishing ambition:

It has twelve covered courts — six in a row facing north, six south — the gates of the one range exactly fronting the gates of the other. Inside, the building is of two storeys and contains three thousand rooms, of which half are underground, and the other half directly above them. I was taken through the rooms in the upper storey, so what I shall say of them is from my own observation, but the underground ones I can speak of only from report, because the Egyptians in charge refused to let me see them, as they contain the tombs of the kings who built the labyrinth, and also the tombs of the sacred crocodiles. The upper rooms, on the contrary, I did actually see, and it is hard to believe that they are the work of men; the baffling and intricate passages from room to room and from court to court were an endless wonder to me, as we passed from a courtyard into rooms, from rooms into galleries, from galleries into more rooms and thence into yet more courtyards. The roof of every chamber, courtyard, and gallery is, like the walls, of stone. The walls are covered with carved figures, and each court is exquisitely built of white marble and surrounded by a colonnade.*

* Source: Peck, Harry Thurston (chief editor). "Hieratic Papyrus. (Twentieth Dynasty.)" in the Harpers Dictionary of Classical Antiquities, published 1898, page 29.

During the time of Sir William Smith, the remains of the "Labyrinthus" (as he calls it) were discovered "11 1/2 miles from the pyramid of Hawara, in the province of Faioum." As professor Smith states in the Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities (1870), the Labyrinthus was likely modified and added upon "at various times. The names of more than one king have been found there, the oldest" name being that of Amenemhat III. "It is unnecessary to imagine more than that it was monumental, and a monument of more than one king of Egypt."

In 1898, the Harpers Dictionary of Classical Antiquities described the structure as "the largest of all the temples of Egypt, the so-called Labyrinth, of which, however, only the foundation stones have been preserved."

in a recent interview by project camelot.... patrick geryl stated that the official announcement will be made sometime during november....

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Hey guys there is some good stuff on this at

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