I am not usually one to make judgments of any kind, but I find it very hard here.
The fact that he killed the boy was bad enough, but to start eating him as well?

If I think he was on drugs.. it does not matter to me. It I think he might be severely mentally disabled it does not matter. To think he might be totally wack does not matter.

This man, whom ever he is should be done away with one way or another. He is obviously a danger to the world of unknown people . Which could put any of us at risk.

But I could bet you right now that nothing happens. He will get a slap on the wrist, put in a prison institution for the mentally deranged. He will have some therapy and in 5 to 10 years he will be proclaimed well and given his freedom back.

I truly feel for the parents and the family of this boy. We can only hope that he died quickly and with as little pain as possible.

i personaly think perpetrator of this crime took some "mdma" but most likely got burnt with a bad pill and got some yaba

you can find links on this substance and for a while due to its cheapens it was being used as a mixer for mass produced x . sometimes being sold in its place

the main difference with yaba is extended use (even staying up on it for 20+ hours) can manifest psychotic episodes.... normally in conjunction with hallucinations. as you can imagine this can lead to dire conciseness.

i remember watching a bbc documentary where they where interviewing people who killed their friends and family while on this substance... saying things like they turned to daemons etc before there eyes an they felt the need to kill them... a panic reaction to a strong and overwhelming hallucination


so this could be a possibility...

either that or just straight up mental head case

Funny, I would have thought on a conspiracy forum such as this that you all would have picked up on the possibility that the killer was brainwashed and under mind control.

Listen to the police tape. They refer to the suspect as "the badger". A code name from his handler?

Most of you already know that the majority of school shooters, mothers who drown their kids, or do crazy stuff like this bus attacker, are on anti-depressants or anti-psychotics. And I'm sure many of you are aware that those particular medications are being used to help "reprogram" people.

This guy is a manchurian candidate, no question about it.

Originally posted by jericanmansaying things like they turned to daemons etc before there eyes an they felt the need to kill them... a panic reaction to a strong and overwhelming hallucination

Well after they killed these demons did they start chowing down on demon flesh? Panic is one thing, eating is another.

Originally posted by srsenWas it not written that victim and offender shared a cigarette before the incident? What if this cigarette was PCP-laced?

The article said they "had a cigarette together". That does not mean they shared the SAME cigarette. That means they hung out and both had their OWN cigarettes. Sharing a cigarette with a stranger would just be weird.

The guy was already carrying a large knife and a pair of scissors. He was thinking about this, he didn't get slipped drugs.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
But who really brings scissors on a murder rampage? The scissors just don't fit somehow. Just playing devil's advocate here, but maybe it's coincidence.

The scissors cold be coincidence, or since he was already nuts he may have just picked them up along with the knife.

As far as people (above) calling hima monster, I do not think that is fair. There is no evidence that this guy tortured his kids daily, or had a slew of victims. He could be a nice decent person that went nuts. It happens and that does not make the people monsters. Like those women that go nuts and kill their kids, when they get on anti-psychotic drugs and realize what they have done they can't live with themselves. They are sick they are not simply monstrous people.

"Model employee". Hunkered down with hunting knife and scissors. Hmmm.
Premeditated mayhem? I don't even want to go into the mind of a psycho killer. Some things are best left alone.
Run run run run away.

Originally posted by Sonya610
As far as people (above) calling hima monster, I do not think that is fair. There is no evidence that this guy tortured his kids daily, or had a slew of victims.
He could be a nice decent person that went nuts. It happens and that does not make the people monsters. Like those women that go nuts and kill their kids, when they get on anti-psychotic drugs and realize what they have done they can't live with themselves. They are sick they are not simply monstrous people.

Let me apologize in advance for quoting almost your entire response, but I really need it in order to make one point qualify to the original statement in this case.

I rarely do this, but I whole-heartedly disagree with your assessment and mind-set. Were you to try to be convincing at least to ME what it is you're saying, you would have me agree that a SINGLE monstrous act, is not tantamount to a person being a monster, irrespective of their mental stability. This is one thing you could never convince me of, and I highly doubt much anyone else of either.

A person CAN be sick, AND be a monster, whether they have committed the act on family or not, and whether they have performed it multiple times or not.

A dog goes berzerk, mutilates and kills a child and we euthanize them, why? Because we know full well the possibility of repeat is extremely high. OF COURSE, the act may NEVER happen again during the dogs life. Does that mean that the singular monstrous act and the MORE disturbing likelihood of repeat did not justify the euthanizing of the dog? I would say it most certainly does.


AB1



[edit on 3-8-2008 by alphabetaone]

Originally posted by alphabetaone
A person CAN be sick, AND be a monster, whether they have committed the act on family or not, and whether they have performed it multiple times or not.

A dog goes berzerk, mutilates and kills a child and we euthanize them, why? Because we know full well the possibility of repeat is extremely high.

One isolated "monstrous" act does not make someone a monster. They may be dangerous and unstable, this is true. They may need to be locked up for the rest of their lives, or even executed, but it does not make them a monster. It sounds as if this person was a polite, loyal, hard working employee with a stable marriage. If he functioned well in his everyday life he may have had a glitch, that does not mean he is some horrible, evil, sadistic person that takes great pleasure in the pain and suffering of others.

Regarding the beserk dog, no "we" don't always euthanize them. Not where I live, if the kid was trespassing on the dog's property the law typically does not punish the dog or the owner. In some cases it has happened a few times with the same dog, still no prosecution. Now if the dog eats the kid in the kids backyard, or on the street, yeah that is a problem. I surely would not euthanize one of my dogs for eating a tresspasser in their own backyard.

Something is very strange with this one. I wonder if it was some kind of mind control and we may get more a more like this to convince the masses that they need to fear everyone.

"He sat in the front at first; everything was normal," Caton said. "We went to the next stop, and he got off and had a smoke with another young lady there. When he got on the bus again, he came to the back near where I was sitting. He put his bags in the overhead compartment. He didn't say a word to anybody. He seemed totally normal."

Half an hour later, the attack began, Caton told the AP. "There was no rage or anything. He was like a robot, stabbing the guy."

He was like a robot...

Originally posted by alphabetaone

Originally posted by Sonya610
As far as people (above) calling hima monster, I do not think that is fair. There is no evidence that this guy tortured his kids daily, or had a slew of victims.
He could be a nice decent person that went nuts. It happens and that does not make the people monsters. Like those women that go nuts and kill their kids, when they get on anti-psychotic drugs and realize what they have done they can't live with themselves. They are sick they are not simply monstrous people.

Let me apologize in advance for quoting almost your entire response, but I really need it in order to make one point qualify to the original statement in this case.

I rarely do this, but I whole-heartedly disagree with your assessment and mind-set. Were you to try to be convincing at least to ME what it is you're saying, you would have me agree that a SINGLE monstrous act, is not tantamount to a person being a monster, irrespective of their mental stability. This is one thing you could never convince me of, and I highly doubt much anyone else of either.

A person CAN be sick, AND be a monster, whether they have committed the act on family or not, and whether they have performed it multiple times or not.

A dog goes berzerk, mutilates and kills a child and we euthanize them, why? Because we know full well the possibility of repeat is extremely high. OF COURSE, the act may NEVER happen again during the dogs life. Does that mean that the singular monstrous act and the MORE disturbing likelihood of repeat did not justify the euthanizing of the dog? I would say it most certainly does.


AB1



[edit on 3-8-2008 by alphabetaone]

well who's the "monster" ... the woman who was completely fine before her "anti" psychotic drugs... OR the manufacturer of the drug?
who's the monster... the dog... or the person that abused it so that its brain is wired to "snap" when stressed?

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Originally posted by prevenge20 meeelion bucks says this guy STARTED taking his "anti-depressive" medication.

I doubt if anti-depressants played a role in this case. But it is true, starting anti-depressants does raise the risk of suicide for one thing. Really really depressed people are so lethargic they don't have the energy or gumption, when the anti-depressants start to kick in they feel a tiny bit better and sometimes have enough energy to off themselves.

Though I think the withdrawls are often MUCH worse depending on the drug and the person. Paxil withdrawl causes electrical type shock effects, rapid mood swings, incredibly vivid (and often violent dreams), all sorts of stuff. It is really rough and symptoms can last for months. People stay on Paxil for years because they cannot handle the horrid withdrawls. That stuff is wicked, plus a lot of our already not so stable veterans are on it.

[edit on 4-8-2008 by Sonya610]