People Are voting for OBAMA because they want him as president!

Originally posted by jetxnet
Obama is a Marxist. This is more than clear.

Every liberal is a "communist" or a "socialist" by righties account. This whole communist talk came about from cold war propaganda and I see it still survives today in the minds of war mongering youngens, passed from generation to generation of neo-con voters.

Yes this whole marxist BS is used constantly by the righties to vote for them. They did it with John kerry:
www.freerepublic.com...
And on the Clintons
www.worldnetdaily.com...

I mean I thought this "fear the commies" thing ended over a decade ago.. but when rightie runs out of excuses, he or she uses old fear mongering tactics.

Now, can you please tell me in what way Obama is a "Marxist", I would like some evidence please.

Obama is a Muslim. This is more than clear.

He says his not a Muslim and that should be proof enough. It’s highly hypocritical to say your a supporter of the constitution and freedom yet you spread this lie. I refer you all to Amendment I of the constitution:

www.law.cornell.edu...

What right do you have telling people what they must be?

If your going to say its because he was born to a Muslim father, thats a lie aswell because in Islam you are not made to be a Muslim, you choose so. If you do not declare yourself a Muslim, if you do not make prayer 5 times a day, if you do not fast during the lunar month of Ramadan, and if you have not made the pilgrimage to Mecca, you are NOT A MUSLIM by Islamic practices.

www.religioustolerance.org...

I have not seen any evidence as to whether Obama says his Muslim, as to whether he prays 5 times a day and not once have I seen Michelle wear a veil, which is against Islamic law if one were a Muslim.

So according to the constitution and Islamic law, Obama is not a Muslim. All I hear are Neo-con lies coming out of your mouth.

Obama is anti-American. This is more than clear.

Oh really?? And how is that? What evidence do you have where he says he hates america?

Back in 2003 you were labelled anti american if you opposed this war in Iraq, you were called a traitor, an anti-patriot if you chose to speak out against Bush and his neo-con to invade Iraq. Now you want to vote in somebody who intends to continue the Neo-con agenda and you have the nerve to call those who oppose it "anti-american."

I suggest you take a look back to 2003 Jetty and you tell which people were being called "anti-american".

Obama is a natural born citizen. This is more than questionable.

And do you have any evidence? His CoB has been confirmed by the proper authorities of the State of Hawaii. I am yet to see any of you righties provide evidence that he was born outside the US, instead of these "propaganda links" or "rightwing blogs" as evidence. You have no grounds for this argument.

Obama is a massive flip-flopper. This is more than clear.

I tell you what, how about you list down the things Obama actually flip flopped on, actually changed his policy then Ill compare that with McSames.

Obama is a race baiter. This is more than clear.

The minute the man speaks out against the religous and racial smears going on about him, his labelled a "race baiter".

The only people race baiting here are you and your buddies. Forums like "a vote for Obama is a vote for africa" or "his an african extremist" or "his connected to terrorists" (probably because of his middle name) is the kind of race baiting ya'll got going on here.

What a hypocrite...

Obama is arrogant and over-confident. This is more than clear.

Why dont you tell us here how he is arrogance and over-confident? If your accusing the man of being confident then you really have issues....

Obama signals the end of America and individualism if elected. This is more than clear.

No it does not, just because you live in your little rightwinger bubble there doesnt mean everybody else has to. Your party and your Neo-con icons up there in Washington already stripped this nation of freedom and liberty and you want to vote in the same people again. And here you are telling us this.

Solution - vote for McCain, even if means keeping the second Marxist running for office (the first was McCarthy) out of the Oval Office.

So let me get this straight, vote in another Neo-con administration because the communists will take over?? it aint the 60s anymore man

You have seriously got to move your mindset out of the 60s.

McCarthy never had tie to radical anti-American Muslim Millionaires or domestic bombers for friends.

Simply because Obama has muslim heritage doesnt make him a terrorist.... its a shame we still have such ignorance running free on this forum. I am yet to see any evidence from you on this.

Obama does. Obama is the worst canidate in US history for doing potential damage to the liberties and freedoms of the United States of America.

Yes... this coming from an anti-Obama basher who will be voting in the 3rd neo-con administration.

[edit on 3-8-2008 by southern_Guardian]

- you're not supposed to even quote me Mental Modulator, did you not see Quazga's post to you? He can't stand it.

I wonder why. Too much truth about Obama. I don't buy into his BS and Quazga certainly has. He can't tolerate the contrary.

Don't quote me anymore. Spare Quazga's poor little bubble of Obama bliss of "change, hope and unity".

Originally posted by jetxnet
What are you talking about??

So now that we have established that Obama is not a Marxist we are safe!!!

Since when, where and how have you established this???

Obama is a Marxist. This is more than clear.



the Communist Manifesto: "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."

Not once have I heard Obama refer to class struggles... In fact his rhetoric has always seemed all inclusive, he has used the word unity many times so your description is way off base. Marxist doctrine is introduced by dividing the populace down economic lines.
Not once have I heard him insight his crowds with angry anti rich speech...

SG bringing out the heavy guns, links and logic loaded... damn

reply to post by mental modulator


Hey man keep these threads going, Im loving it

Mental, you need to go back to the drawing boards.

Marism = perceived Utopia (on paper)
Utopia = dictatorship (reality)

Marism = taking away your individual liberties and for larger (very large) government and taxation. Everything is owned and operated by the government and if not, has to have assoications with it (as in state-run).

Obama is for this both in his actions and sometimes in his words.

You are fooled. Obama is for large government and taxation.

Obama is Marxist.



[edit on 3-8-2008 by jetxnet]

Originally posted by jetxnet
Mental, you need to go back to the drawing boards.

Marism = perceived Utopia (on paper)
Utopia = dictatorship (reality)

Marism = taking away your individual liberties and for larger (very large) government and taxation. Everything is owned and operated by the government and if not, has to have assoications with it (as in state-run).

Obama is for this both in his actions and sometimes in his words.

You are fooled. Obama is for large government and taxation.

Obama is Marxist.



[edit on 3-8-2008 by jetxnet]

Obama is a liberal not a marxist...

If you think providing health care for citizens is Marxist then you are not very well versed on Marxism.

Healthcare is one industry,,, there are a bagillion more industries to create a bagillion more billionaires.



Anyways Bush a very very conservative has massively inflated the government...
Almost at historical levels so... What are you on about?

reply to post by jetxnet


So calmly what do you think Obama is going to do?
You don't sound very rational if you don't provide examples...

OBAMA is a flash in the pan. All the real money is backing the GOP this year. Big corporations, and banks. McCain is going to run away with this thing as soon as he says 5 little words. I WILL LOWER GAS PRICES. And that will be it. I think he is waiting for Oct, but I will bet you that is his "nuke" option. Even if it is a lie it will put McCain way over the top. OBAMA can't say this, because the left would have a stroke and the right would not believe him. Then around Feb McCain takes off 5 cents a gallon from fed tax on gas and he fullfills his promise. OBAMA is a Ok speaker. He has the young vote, but the NRA, AARP, Christians, and others will mobilize and make this a Mondale style beating. Imagine if McCain gets Collin Powell or Condi as VP Obama would be TOAST. Hillary and Bill are doing a fine job NOT supporting Obama right now as well. She wants another shot in 2012 and that is easier with McCain as POTUS. I think as the summer ends we will see McCain step up the attacks to a brutal level on Obama. Right now they are each running weird campaigns. What the hell was Obama doing trotting around the globe anyway? I think that Obama will put out a ton of TV ads, and debate as little as possible. The MMM will keep telling us it is neck and neck when in reality it will be a route. Then for 4-8 years we will get to hear about how bad white people are and how poor Obama just needed more experience. Blah..........Then we get to do this all over again in 4 short years. This time with Hillary old as hell VS McCain who will be like 104.

[edit on 3-8-2008 by TXMACHINEGUNDLR]

Originally posted by jetxnet

taking away your individual liberties and for larger (very large) government .

Everything is owned and operated by the government and if not, has to have associations with it (as in state-run).


[edit on 3-8-2008 by jetxnet]

Well the first line sounds like Bush...

And if I replace the word corporation with government then you have
Bush again...

Just so you fascism is a right winged doctrine as in BUSH and MCCAIN...

I would say we are much more in danger of being FASCIST then SOCIALIST at this point...

Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
OBAMA is a flash in the pan. All the real money is backing the GOP this year. Big corporations, and banks. McCain is going to run away with this thing as soon as he says 5 little words. I WILL LOWER GAS PRICES. And that will be it. I think he is waiting for Oct, but I will bet you that is his "nuke" option. Even if it is a lie it will put McCain way over the top. OBAMA can't say this, because the left would have a stroke and the right would not believe him. Then around Feb McCain takes off 5 cents a gallon from fed tax on gas and he fullfills his promise. OBAMA is a Ok speaker. He has the young vote, but the NRA, AARP, Christians, and others will mobilize and make this a Mondale style beating. Imagine if McCain gets Collin Powell or Condi as VP

Obama would be TOAST. Hillary and Bill are doing a fine job NOT supporting Obama right now as well. She wants another shot in 2012 and that is easier with McCain as POTUS.

Yup I agree 100%

I have been predicting the same thing... the GAS CRISIS is BS... A money pillaging op
and political spring board!

[edit on 3-8-2008 by mental modulator]

BLUH, BLUH, and triple BLUH!!!

Poor Mental Mondulator your in shark invested waters.

Well...

BLUH.

p.s. I am voting for change and hope. Obama for president!!!

reply to post by mental modulator


Wow... people are voting for Obama because they want him to be President??? And here I thought they were voting for Obama because they wanted him to be their local Municipal Waste Management Supervisor! Or, I thought they were voting for him to be the next American Idol!!!


Of course those who support/vote for Obama do so because they want him to be president. But it is their motivations, or their obsession, with Obama that is being questioned. WHY do they want him to be president? WHY has he been able to captivate so many supporters across so many demographics? THOSE are the questions being asked. And they are legitimate questions to ask.

Personally, I do not support Obama. I see right through his empty promises and ability to read a teleprompter. I do not support many of his policies. But irregardless, I have every right to question the personal motivations of those who do support him. I have every right to question the immense popularity of this individual. And, I have every right to draw my own conclusions about the cult following of Obama. Is it really so wrong to point out the FACT that many clueless, uninformed voters simply support Obama because it's the "cool thing" to do? An Obama victory in November would not be the first time those in Hollywood have led an uninformed populous astray!!

reply to post by mental modulator


I am voting for Obama because I want him to be President!

The reasons I want him to be president are many and have to do with his positions on the issues, but it doesn't hurt that he can articulate, is intelligent, thoughtful, honest, strong, flexible, caring, open-minded and respected by the world.

The fact that he's good-looking, "hip and trendy" and cool as he can be is just icing on the cake.

Originally posted by whaaa
I'm not voting for anyone. I'm voting against McCain, because to me
he represents the failed economic policies of the current administration. In effect stealing from the middle class so the wealthy can prosper. High gas prices don't really effect the wealthy but they have almost put me out of business into bankruptcy. You think the oil companies didn't and continue to prosper under this "oil man" presidency?

Pass the koolaid!

[edit on 2-8-2008 by whaaa]

If you're not voting, then how exactly are you voting against McCain? I'm having a hard time getting my head around this statement..

Ok,didn't read all posts so someone may have made this point already.
If everyone is voting Obama beacause they like him,or want him as president,and for no other reason,then why all the "come on black people,it's our time" speeches from his supporters.Or take it back to when Hillary was still in,a black lady said "It's hard for me to decide who to vote for.On one hand,I want to elect the first woman president,on the other I want to see the first black president". How about the issues,thats how you decide.And as far as I'm concerned he hasn't impressed me when speaking on the issues.So no,not everyone is supporting him because they like him.There are people who have told me they are voting for him,but couldn't give me a reason other than,"We need change,the economy is bad"

A person can vote for Obama because they want him to be president
or
they can vote for Obama to place a vote against McCain (and another Bush administration).

Every vote for Obama is a vote against McCain, no matter the reason. But some vote for him because they want him to be president and some vote for him because they don't want the other guy to be president.

reply to post by mental modulator


im sure there are some people that are voting obama becuase they agree with his rhetoric but it just so happens that i know alot of young voters who arent voting for him on substance they have no idea about his policies or anyone elses for that matter.... so they are voting for becasue hes popular amongst younger people due to the fact that that the liberal media spins him as young and hip


[edit on 3-8-2008 by constantwonder]

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And that's why we each have but one voice. To use however we see fit for whatever reason.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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And that's why we each have but one voice. To use however we see fit for whatever reason.

indeed.... im grateful that we only get one vote too many ill informed vote as it stands anyway..... now i would love to use this view to blame these people who vote for someon on a whim for the sorry state of things but i doubt anyone has numbers on whos informed and who just votes