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posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by Q
The same reason for the Bali bomings. 2 words: soft target.

I liken it to a mean-spirited bully kid. The bullies don't pick on people they know can kick the crap out of them, so they instead pick on someone who can't. Spain presented a relatively easy target, in the minds of Al-Qaeda leadership. 'Justified' by their support of the US in the war on terror.


So American only attackting countries who defy them that are weak is not being a Bully-Kid? keep in mind Al-Qaeda had the balls to # with the USA, the wolf awoke the bear from slumber and the bear is now killing all the rabbits... and the wolf is now killing all the bears friends coz the bear has no idea how to deal with the wolf...

Spain were targeted for their support for america and the attacks managed to de-seat the pro-US party and now an anti-US, pro-Europe party has power...

Although the means were a bit tough i'm happy an anti-US party took power... hopefully the rest of the world follows suit...




posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 05:25 PM
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Isnt Spain neutral to wars (execpt the one wit mexico)?



posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by they see ALL
why did the terrorists attack spain??? what did they gain???
i thought terrorists hated america...


They attacked Spain because they recognized a strong anti-American sentiment on the part of their people and especially on the part of a political party that had a good chance of winning the next Spanish election.

They effectively made an example for the rest of the world to adhere. Al Queda had communicated it's dissatisfaction with the Spanish government supporting American foriegn policy.

It probably also took advantage of security weaknesses it found in Spanish transportation.

And not only do the terrorists hate America, but they hate Western ideals in general. They see anyone that does not believe as they do as their enemy. And they are bent on destroying anyone who does not conform to their ideals.

DeltaChaos

[Edited on 25-3-2004 by DeltaChaos]



posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by AlnilamOmega
spain has become one of the US's lapdogs in this war on "terr-ah". Because Spain has been infamous for having civil disorders caused by internal governments, I have no doubt in my mind that this attack was a covertly done government operation.

the fact that they have gone out of their way to help the US in this fake war helps to support the idea that al-qaeda (a CIA tool for the media) was behind it, BUT, that's the way it was meant to be so as to keep other possible scenarios unlikely.


AO, you believe that these attacks were actually carried out by the Spanish government? That the Spanish government actually killed 202 of it's own people for what purpose?

And that al-Queda is a tool of the American government?

You are truly a conspiracy-theorist's conspiracy-theorist.

As well as a paint chip addict.

If you can support any of the statements you just made, in spite of the near-irrefutable evidence aganst them both, with anything that even closely resembles a coherent thought, I will gladly drop this and apologize for the paint chip comment.

If not, I have some land in Florida I'd like to sell you. Or maybe you'd like a bridge?

DeltaChaos



posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 05:44 PM
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They wont attack the US, because they have learned Americans go totally hysterically insane when foreigners bomb us, and well probably come off half cocked and start shooting anything that moves.


When are you Americans gonna learn that just because you are the most powerful nation on Earth does not mean that you are invincible. They will attack the U.S. *because* you go hysterical. (Assuming you meant "will" and not "we'll" instead of "well").

Yes, Britain will get attacked. It is not a case of if, but when. Unfortunatly we are not prepared for this. (Though I think we are and the government is just saying this to lull terrorists into a false sense of security.) We are lucky in that there are no long borders for us to patrol. The only way in or out of this country are through the airports and seaports - all of which are heavily guarded. Fortunatly our Socialist party is virtually non existant.



posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 06:03 PM
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Doesn't Islam's displeasure with Spain go back to the 11th thru 14th centuries when the Christians took Spain back from the Moors?

Religions hold grudges longer than anybody...

[Edited on 25-3-2004 by Ambient Sound]



posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 06:37 PM
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ALL very good points,


at this site, some intriguing pieces on terrorism...

www.jinsa.org...

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Here's a paragraph, that might contain a 'nugget' ?

It was, in fact, in Madrid , Spain that the 1st chatter about September 11 attacks was overheard.
The leader of the Spanish al-Qaida cell was Abu Dahdah,
and the police had been listening to his phone conversations with other cell leaders and taping his
in-person meetings. Just days before the September 11
attacks, Spanish police recorded an unidentified man
telling Abu Dahdah, I've prepared some things you are going to like...I'm giving classes. We've entered the field of aviation, and we've cut the throat of the bird'

The police did not know what to make of the conversation until it became apparent that the September 11 hijackers cut the throats of the
airline pilots before crashing the planes into
the WTC and the Pentagon.
~~~~~~~~



here's the hypothetical...Madrid trains were targeted to show that
AQ & Cells are in Charge!

Also to payback the Spanish
Intel & police forces for intruding into the Sept 11 diorama, involving the Madrid cells of AQ.

...and not so much the anti-american angle or the friends of USA will 'get theirs too'

[Edited on 25-3-2004 by riffraffalunas]



posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by tweedlede
On a differant note..maybe it was the Spanish socialist party who perpetrtaed the bombings to guarantee the elections would go in their favor.
In fact, the attack favored the government, as it was by far more strict in their methods against terrorism.

FUD on your part.

[Edited on 2004-3-25 by MakodFilu]



posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
American mad man, the problem is that there are socialists all over the world and in democracies they tend to fest and grow trying to bring changes using any excuse they can think of.
First of: I don't know about your friend. I recognize some people actually changed their intention vote, but the majority, did not. That was reflected in the elections, where PP losed only 700.000. PSOE gained 3.000.000. Abstention decreased greatly.

Second, the PSOE (Partido Socialista Obrero Espaol) is not communist, nor socialist. In fact, politically speaking is equivalent to your Democrats party.

IU is communist. From 10 congressmen in 2000 they fell down to 5 this legislature.

Again, all else is proved as babbling incoherences and spreading FUD.

[Edited on 2004-3-25 by MakodFilu]



posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Strange, that they bomb not a few days before an election. I think this is the work of Al Quaeda. This is kind of thier response to the backdoor scheming on our half. They are now getting into the manipulation game.

This is gonna be a mess.
Al-Qaeda has nothing to do in Madrid. It has been proven there is no link between the morocco extremist captured and Al-Qaeda.

Only "proof" if a video tape of dubious origin by the same one moron that claimed US electrical leakages. Credibility: Zero.

...and yeah, claiming Al-Qaeda has something to do has made of this a mess.

[Edited on 2004-3-25 by MakodFilu]



posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by specialasianX
Spain were targeted for their support for america and the attacks managed to de-seat the pro-US party and now an anti-US, pro-Europe party has power...

Although the means were a bit tough i'm happy an anti-US party took power... hopefully the rest of the world follows suit...
Spain was targeted by extremist from Marocco, possibly aided by the already weakened ETA. All else is non-sense, trying to make Spain appear as cowards.

Guess what? We don't care about those dumbasses saying that. We have endured an existance with your CNN calling ETA a separatist group when even finally they were internationally recognized as such. Some countries even offered them shelter, and Spain endured the humiliation. Now we have captured most of the terrorists who did the attack, without declaring war to any country. You can still say we are cowards. We know better: our national pride is intact.

Not a single suicide-with-the-bombs braindead extremist was involved in the attack, something you can bet it's not usual for an action in wich Al-Qaeda would be involved. Put this in your heads: It was not Al-Qaeda. They only wanted to make it appear it was Al-Qaeda. They played with you, and they were succesful.



posted on Mar, 25 2004 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by riffraffalunas
Madrid trains were targeted to show that
AQ & Cells are in Charge!

Also to payback the Spanish
Intel & police forces for intruding into the Sept 11 diorama, involving the Madrid cells of AQ.

...and not so much the anti-american angle or the friends of USA will 'get theirs too'
Good fiction but not credible. Certainly Al-Qaeda would want to do such thing. But they didn't. It has been proven without doubt the terrorist were of Marocco, the same ones that were involved in bombing the House of Spain there, with no link to Al-Qaeda. In fact, Marocco is an US ally as is Spain, so Al-Qaeda would have bombed there as well.




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