Can you find reality in politics???' Cause I sure can't...

In light of the nature and psychology of politics today I often wonder...

Is truth and reality the same thing?

As far as I can tell the only thing one can sight as truth in politics are physical in nature...

Arrival times, location, signatures, words spoken, appearance, movements, quantities and durations...

Great!!!

However I find it is virtually impossible to "prove the reality/actuality" of anything else in the political realm?

If you have ever engaged with a person of the opposite political persuasion you come to realize that there is no way to officially win an argument!

For example I can sight an article, a corresponding video and a transcript of an event
during a heated political discussion. Yet even with three forms of "proof" my opponent in the discussion can quickly dispel all three sources of info in a variety of ways.

In fact I believe all a person has to do to sustain an eternal debate is state the complete opposite concept, deflect and redirect the focus and logic of the argument.

Another example is

the ever popular word SHEEPLE...

So answer me this... how can two people with exactly converse ideas both be SHEEPLE?

Well I have been called a sheeple by a sheeple many times here...

Obviously this entire concept is apparent but I find this is the only social realm where
a lie can be a truth and a truth can be a lie.

Further more just about anything that falls into the political domain officially disappears from the realm of reality and provability. Even science which is unemotional and "factual" loses all of its validity if it become politicized.

Think global warming ...

Nobody here can 100% "prove" the existence or non existence of global warming.Even with a PHD I think it is impossible any more. I would literally bet my house that any average joe here could endlessly go toe to toe with a world class scientist on this subject...

There is no decisive victory, reality, truth or actuality to be found.

I could blame your side for this, but then how could I go about proving it???

Americans and their politics are out of this world alien to the human brain

No wonder the people of America are Paralyzed like deer caught in the headlights .

it's the same with religion. These Ideologies require belief, not truth. Any political system can work, any political system can fail. Any God could exist, Any God could be false. The individual shapes the "truth" himself through his/her own belief.

Originally posted by ThePiemaker
it's the same with religion. These Ideologies require belief, not truth. Any political system can work, any political system can fail. Any God could exist, Any God could be false. The individual shapes the "truth" himself through his/her own belief.

Ya good point... However I don't think this serves mankind one bit. This is the one Field that impacts everyone, yet there is no method / possibility to prove anything?

I mean for christ sake I could not 100% prove that the US is in a recession???
You would think we were all living in caves...

You can prove anything to be true. Even things that aren't. It's part of how the universe works.
When it comes to people, it really boils down to trust. Can I trust this person? Do I believe him? Because there are lots of ways to prove/disprove/belie/circumvent/etc. anything.
I never understood how our society even functions with all those levels of verification plied upon each other (signatures/ID/etc.) when it all pivots around simple trust. I say I do, you say I don't, and fifty of your friends say I don't. Does the quantity of don'ts necessarily refute my single do? Then there's the whole thing about personal perceived truth. Do you know two people who think the same? Do you even know how another person thinks? Or even that he does? They claim so, but can you trust them?

I may be dragging this out a bit, but can you see where I'm going?

Polititians use this. They ride this like a wave. Because people don't usually give their trust to just anyone, especially when they don't agree with their perceived truth. Polititians will say what the people want to hear, then later make the decisions that (they percieve) are necessary.

I, for my part would be willing to give trust, and receive it in return. Might make the world a happier place...

"reality in politics" has simply GOT to be the most blatant usage of an oxymoron I have ever heard !!

I wish constantly that Amerka would drop the politics, drop the parties, drop it ALL, and get back to running a damn country. I get so sick of the "I don't like what they're doing, but it's my party so I have to support them" ...... fer pete sakes this ISN'T HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL !!!

Whew, I think that rrrrreally needed to come out !! lol

Anyway, no, there is no such correlation of politics and reality.

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I agree, I just find it frustrating that societies one constructed vehicle for sweeping decisions, change and progress is complete BS!

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change and progress isn't something outside of ones' self. I believe that people need to change and focus on bettering themselves rather than thinking it could be achieved through politics or someone signing a piece of paper.

There is no absolute truth, (and even that could be proven false) as truth is only relative to the observer.

One day people will realize that unity is what will cause change. Not socialist/communist unity, but on a spiritual/awareness level.
We face dichotomies on all fronts in today's society and that is the primary outcome of the divide and conquer tactic.

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HEY IT IS NOT A RECESSION!
it is a downturn.
bush said so...

also good observation. the only truth in politics is that politics is bull crap. I think a while ago there were more truly good politicians but nowdays a good politician is as scarse as hens teeth. things are definatly getting worse.