"Conservatives" are slow. Be gentle to them

Hey, wondering why their is so many people against you "conservatives"?

Read and catch up to reality



What are the “conservatives”? What is it that they are seeking to “conserve”?

It is generally understood that those who support the “conservatives,” expect them to uphold the system which has been camouflaged by the loose term of “the American way of life.” The moral treason of the “conservative” leaders lies in the fact that they are hiding behind that camouflage: they do not have the courage to admit that the American way of life was capitalism, that that was the politico-economic system born and established in the United States, the system which, in one brief century, achieved a level of freedom, of progress, of prosperity, of human happiness, unmatched in all the other systems and centuries combined—and that that is the system which they are now allowing to perish by silent default.

If the “conservatives” do not stand for capitalism, they stand for and are nothing; they have no goal, no direction, no political principles, no social ideals, no intellectual values, no leadership to offer anyone.

Yet capitalism is what the “conservatives” dare not advocate or defend. They are paralyzed by the profound conflict between capitalism and the moral code which dominates our culture: the morality of altruism . . . Capitalism and altruism are incompatible; they are philosophical opposites; they cannot co-exist in the same man or in the same society.

What is the moral stature of those who are afraid to proclaim that they are the champions of freedom? What is the integrity of those who outdo their enemies in smearing, misrepresenting, spitting at, and apologizing for their own ideal? What is the rationality of those who expect to trick people into freedom, cheat them into justice, fool them into progress, con them into preserving their rights, and, while indoctrinating them with statism, put one over on them and let them wake up in a perfect capitalist society some morning?

These are the “conservatives”—or most of their intellectual spokesmen.
-Ayn Rand: Lexicon

Dictionary for the Conservative Marines and other folk:

Altruism- the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others (opposed to egoism).

Capitalism- an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.


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Great thread here...nice research, with articles and studies and lots of links lol...

I am fiscally and financially conservative, don't like big government, or socialistic tendencies in my government....yet I am for gay marriage, the death penalty, pro abortion, pro guns and definitely against organized religion ...If you think I am "slow" then be kind to me, by all means.



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Financially Consevative!! ha ha ha, my friends say that, and then they elect people like Bush.


So you vote republican-- haha

But really, use your third eye. OKAY so you are personally financially conservative, I bet girls/guys love dates with you. And you are looking for candidates that are fiscally conservative...


Where are they! was there one?

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You can't see how narrow-minded your thread is, but let me point it out to you...

Anyone who votes strictly by "party lines" is a sucker in my opinion...as I am sure you do judging by your post to mine. Is that all you can say about what I said to you? Where are your links to back up your position? Where's the research? Of course there is none.

Name one Republican you have voted for...I have voted for many Democrats along the way...anyone who does their research, which you clearly haven't, has voted for both parties...your thread is sorely lacking in anything but your opinion. Good luck on it.

I defend capitalism...

But this is a troll thread, and should be removed from ATS. Don't feed him, let this thread die if the mods don't remove it.

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Arnold. thats one. When I was dumb, I voted for him.


I am actually a registered republican because of that campaign. Damn their good.


I don't vote by party and I don't consider myself a lib or a cons, I am just a person.


But anyone who considers themselves a conservative is just idiotic.

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I defend capitalism...
-JohnMike

mmmm yes, of course, quite right. It fits my lifestyle like an italian suit...



Capitalism will die like punk music.

Todays so called " CONSERVATIVES " are nothing of the sort.

A true Constitutional CONSERVATIVE would never allow anyone to undermine the protections
of our U.S. Constitution or The Bill Of Rights.

A true Fiscal CONSERVATIVE would demand the exposure of waste, fraud and abuse
and full accountability of every penny spent with U.S. taxpayer dollars.

A true Judicial CONSERVATIVE would demand that no man is above the law.

What we really have here is a bunch of blind sheeple who have deluded themselves
or have allowed themselves to be manipulated into thinking that this Fascist Bush Regime
represents CONSERVATIVE ideology.

They do nothing of the sort, but pander to the extreme Social CONSERVATIVES
to profiteer from their ignorance.

i gotta say like that dude did previously, I hold points of view that are both conservative and liberal. I voted for Arnold (R) as I voted for Boxer(D) and Busby (D), yet when i look at people who call themselves "Liberal" and those who call themselves "Conservative", the Conservatives end up on the ground flinging mud at the Liberals because they tend to get cornered really easily. I have conservative friends that merely regurgitate what they hear on fox news or what their family says. And not to mention that they all somehow have a close personal relationship with their lord and savior Jesus Christ yet they do things that even he'd beat the crap out of them for. It's just beyond me.

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Well I am certainly not a conservative over all .
However,,,

I do think America should detain anyone it wants to,
torture anyone it wants to,
blow up anything it wants to.
I also believe the government is for the benefit of the corporation only.
I Billionaire should pay a lesser % of tax to help promote jobs.
I think there should be no minimum wage
if someone wants to work for 50 cents an hour it is their choice.
I believe in funding the fire department to save you from a burning wreck to preserve your heart beat and breath
I don't believe in the funding of your recovery or treatment .
Any thing is fair if it can't be proven
Reality is a myth
I believe any political debate should be focused on personality, hear say and conjecture!

Any how I could go on... other wise I am a liberal!

Originally posted by Daedalus24
I have conservative friends that merely regurgitate what they hear on fox news or what their family says. And not to mention that they all somehow have a close personal relationship with their lord and savior Jesus Christ yet they do things that even he'd beat the crap out of them for. It's just beyond me.

Amen that fox point is proven here every day!


this is the conservative hypocrisy!


The liberal one is not recycling or filling out a 1099 ...

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Unfortunately, the media is complicit in reinforcing this twisted misuse of terminology.

If you dissect these terms, you'll find that collectively, most Americans
are in fact politically conservative when it comes to how our government SHOULD operate.

Where most people differ, can be boiled down to how we view Social behavior.

We may have a live and let live outlook on social behavior, therefore making us
Socially Liberal, yet believing that our government and those who choose to work as public
servants MUST answer to the law of the land.

AS AMERICANS, I think most people are steadfastly CONSERVATIVE when it comes to
protecting the work of our founding fathers, the U.S. Constitution and The Bill of Rights.

Unfortunately, human nature allows otherwise good natured people to drop their guard
and permit a twisted ideology to infiltrate common sense.

Those who seek to control power and wealth have always managed to manipulate human nature to their advantage.

Whether you believe you are CONSERVATIVE or LIBERAL overall, you may want to rethink
where you really stand when it comes to personal beliefs, the rule of law, and the role of our government.

I consider myself conservative in many ways, but I can't stand the label as applied by the media. Guys like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity make me puke.

Bush, McCain, Limbaugh, etc, etc are not conservative. Please do not bash Conservatives, true conservatism is the better way of life. Just as true liberalism is a terrible bain upon society.

I'm morally ultra-conservative, economically fairly socialist and I'm a perennial traditionalist (with greatest influences from Asatru and Hinduism) spiritually speaking. I differ as much (if not more) from your average neo-conservative as I differ from your average liberal. Please don't put anyone in the conservative-liberal category because there are way too many ideological differences between man to put them all in either category. The left-right paradigm is hopelessly outdated.

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I am afraid this world if filled with categories.

This is how we define our world.

Instead of saying I'm conservative or liberal, just speak on the point of the issue.


LABELS AND CATEGORIES. Thats science and people want to define our world.

It sucks I know, but the words liberal and conservative have there psychological effects.

Thats why the word "Audit" is now changing to "Assurance" in my industry.

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I am afraid this world if filled with categories.

This is how we define our world.

Obviously. Nevertheless, that's no excuse to divide all politics in just two categories of "liberals" and "conservatives".

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sounds like you need a quick lesson on conservaties. here are a couple links to help you out.
be forewarned though, once you see the truth you may not be able to hang out with your liberal buddies anymore.

michaelsavage.wnd.com...

www.rushlimbaugh.com...

hannity.com...