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posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 07:21 PM
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I agree that the military has lower their standards but rape is rape no matter what either in the military or civilian.

I also agree that the women in today army are well prepared and ready to protect themselves.

But remember also that civilian women working for contracting companies in Iraq has also become victims of rape by their fellow civilian workers.




posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by solo1
America's armed forces are not moral they have proven it from time to time
over and over again. This may reflect on Americans in general their humanity may well have gone down the drain.


I have read several of your posts and I have come to the conclusion that you are a very misinformed person. Just because you read a story about a few service members being complete jack-asses does not mean that everyone wearing the uniform can be labeled as such. The reason we are seeing so many crimes within the military is that the standards for joining are dropping like a rock. As soon as the war is over these people will be weeded out and replaced by higher quality troops.

I really don't care if you agree with the troops or not as we are used to dealing with ignorant people such as yourself. Please inform us of the last thing YOU did for your country.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 07:52 PM
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First of all already too many incidents going on in Iraq had put a shadow over our military an its leaders, from the incidents of rape, to the abu Ghraib to other incidents that while we get the scoop on the ones that reach the news is probably many that never will.

While it happens in any and every war as this has to do with human nature, this time it gets more attention because the nature of the war in Iraq.

Our Nations reputation is as stake, we are the liberators, the freedom bringers and democracy makers even the smallest incident will tarnish our nation as a whole.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 08:11 PM
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Yes, it does look bad...I am not refuting that at all. I am simply saying that judgement shouldn't be passed on an entire branch of service for the actions of a few.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 08:15 PM
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Um, these numbers are from women in a hospital. Of course there will be a higher number of rape victims in the hospital than in normal society. Don't they normally hospitalize rape victims. In addition, in a hospital there will be a higher number of psych cases who will say what ever. In addition, there will be a higher number of women looking to take advantage of the situation by what ever means.

Women in a hospital don't represent the average woman in the military.

In addition, being that the numbers of men to women are grossly out of match with the normal demographics, it also means that the number of men who are rapist, due to the 10 times factor of men to women, will be much higher with the percentage of women in the field, so it makes sense that there will be a higher percentage of women rape victims in the military.

Take a survey among a group where the number of rape victims is likely to he higher, combined with a situation where there is more likely to be a higher percentage of rape victims, and guess what, you get an inflated, grossly over estimated, number of rape victims.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 08:19 PM
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I'd say if you're raping women, you're way beyond the point of having a chance of correcting your morals. So this isn't a morality issue, its a law enforcement issue. There needs to be a crackdown on the 10% of men or whatever number it is that are abusing the women. And it's not entirely a surprise, since the armed forces have been forced to lower their recruitment standards and allow in more felons.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 08:26 PM
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I'm not shocked in the least by their behavior.

These are people who VOLUTEERED to kill other people.

What kind of morality does one expect from murderers?

I once heard it takes something like 17 soldiers not on the line to support one who is on the line. I consider those other 17 to be accesories to murder.

Vas



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Wifiman

Originally posted by groingrinder
With the current situation, the government has had to lower it's standards dramatically. Gang members and other low life criminals are now admitted into the military when they would not be allowed to join previously.

Shame on the so called good men in service for not sticking up and protecting the females. If I knew someone in my unit had raped somebody of the same unit I would shoot them myself. Ditto with known gang members.



[edit on 8-2-2008 by groingrinder]


Gang members who actively seek out military service must be made of different fiber than the general populous of gang members. Since those supposed "lowlifes" arn't being drafted, they must have volunteered, therefore meaning they have had a change of heart and attitude. Everyone deserves a second chance. Just because they have a bad background does not mean they arn't redeemable. Look at the comedian Tim Allen, he was in prision for manslaughter. You think he is a moral inbread incapabie of compassion or rational thought?


It has been shown that gang members are infiltrating the military for the training. They then take that back to their gangs and apply it to fighting law enforcement officers. Man you are out of the loop.

Gangs in the military

Gangs in the military 2

Gangs in the military 3

Edited to add that Tim Allen was in prison for possession of less than a pound of Marijuana. Nothing wrong with his moral compass. Just another peaceful stoner.

[edit on 8-2-2008 by groingrinder]



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by Wifiman

Originally posted by groingrinder
With the current situation, the government has had to lower it's standards dramatically. Gang members and other low life criminals are now admitted into the military when they would not be allowed to join previously.

Shame on the so called good men in service for not sticking up and protecting the females. If I knew someone in my unit had raped somebody of the same unit I would shoot them myself. Ditto with known gang members.



[edit on 8-2-2008 by groingrinder]


Gang members who actively seek out military service must be made of different fiber than the general populous of gang members. Since those supposed "lowlifes" arn't being drafted, they must have volunteered, therefore meaning they have had a change of heart and attitude. Everyone deserves a second chance. Just because they have a bad background does not mean they arn't redeemable. Look at the comedian Tim Allen, he was in prision for manslaughter. You think he is a moral inbread incapabie of compassion or rational thought?


It has been shown that gang members are infiltrating the military for the training. They then take that back to their gangs and apply it to fighting law enforcement officers. Man you are out of the loop.

Gangs in the military

Gangs in the military 2

Gangs in the military 3



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by LateApexer313
You know what makes me sick about a thread like this? To name a few things...how about Al Queda dragging the corpses of our soldiers through the streets of Iraq, burned, battered and tortured?

How about the beheading of a journalist on Arab television? How about the first capture of a female American military woman in Iraq, in a convoy, back broken, shot, stabbed and raped in an Iraqi hospital, having to be rescued by what was it, NAVY SEALS??

How about comparing the numbers of our soldier's wrongdoings compared to ANY guerrilla, insurgent, terrorist, or any other military force in the world????

Threads like this make me sick....



people like you make me sick. this thread is about american soldiers hurting OTHER american soldiers. and you blow that off by pointing out what terrorists do to the people they are fighting with? that is war, sick crap happens. now tell me what justifies an american soldier raping and terrorizing anyone, let alone a FELLOW AMERICAN SOLDIER. you make me sick.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
Um, these numbers are from women in a hospital. Of course there will be a higher number of rape victims in the hospital than in normal society. Don't they normally hospitalize rape victims. In addition, in a hospital there will be a higher number of psych cases who will say what ever. In addition, there will be a higher number of women looking to take advantage of the situation by what ever means.

Women in a hospital don't represent the average woman in the military.

In addition, being that the numbers of men to women are grossly out of match with the normal demographics, it also means that the number of men who are rapist, due to the 10 times factor of men to women, will be much higher with the percentage of women in the field, so it makes sense that there will be a higher percentage of women rape victims in the military.

Take a survey among a group where the number of rape victims is likely to he higher, combined with a situation where there is more likely to be a higher percentage of rape victims, and guess what, you get an inflated, grossly over estimated, number of rape victims.


seriously? are you justifying rape with statistics? one rape is too many. one rape commited by US military is too many. one rape commited by US mil. against US mil. is too many. the fact than anyone can justify or minimize this in anyway, just shows exactly how low america's moral standards have sunk. this whole thread is a disgusting display of opie and anthony fans that think a rape now and then is ok, cuz thats life, ladies, get used to it.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Vasilis Azoth
I'm not shocked in the least by their behavior.

These are people who VOLUTEERED to kill other people.

What kind of morality does one expect from murderers?

I once heard it takes something like 17 soldiers not on the line to support one who is on the line. I consider those other 17 to be accesories to murder.


Well, in wartime, soldiers don't murder. They kill. There is a difference.

And obviously by the tone of your post, you've never been associated with the military in any way, shape or form. Please keep it that way.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 09:06 PM
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I do not mean to denigrate The Us Military, America has the best and most moral army in the world.
Unfortunately that Morality is found in the draftee Army, not the paint ballers association NTL guard ,and the regulars.

[edit on 2-8-2008 by solo1]



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Vasilis Azoth
I'm not shocked in the least by their behavior.

These are people who VOLUTEERED to kill other people.

What kind of morality does one expect from murderers?

I once heard it takes something like 17 soldiers not on the line to support one who is on the line. I consider those other 17 to be accesories to murder.


Well, in wartime, soldiers don't murder. They kill. There is a difference.

And obviously by the tone of your post, you've never been associated with the military in any way, shape or form. Please keep it that way.


I'm not christian but I accept that the 10 commandments are the rules by which a civilization must abide by if it wishes to survive.

"Thou shalt not kill."

That's what it says right?

So, I hear all the time that the U.S. is a "christian" nation. That being the case could you christian americans explain to me why you ignore your GOD given rules when it comes to war?

Killing is murder. I'm disgusted that there are so many barbarians left in my world that don't understand that.

Vas



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65


Well, in wartime, soldiers don't murder. They kill. There is a difference.

And obviously by the tone of your post, you've never been associated with the military in any way, shape or form. Please keep it that way.


"i cannot wait to get over there and kill me a bunch of Habbibs!!!!"

one guess where i heard that quote

one guess how i am associated



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 09:14 PM
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American Soldiers kill in war, not murder...

www.youtube.com...


www.youtube.com...




really?

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[edit on 8/2/2008 by re22666]



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by solo1
I do not mean to denigrate The Us Military, America has the best and most moral army in the world.
Unfortunately that Morality is found in the draftee Army, not the paint ballers association NTL guard ,and the regulars.


Draftee Army? Well, hasn't been one of them since the Vietnam War.

Paint ballers association is the National Guard? Well, that's a new one I'll have to remember!



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by re22666
American Soldiers kill in war, not murder...

www.youtube.com...


www.youtube.com...


www.youtube.com...

really?


Sorry, pumpkin. Youtube videos aren't showing here. And when you close with and engage the enemy, it's killing, not murder.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 09:20 PM
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not hard to understand what is coming to America when the Boys come home

It is going to take the Moral draftee army to clean up the garbage thats coming home from the war.
Today they are practicing on the innocent vitims in Iraq who they murder
rape without cause in America's name.

and do not think it is by accident ,They want America to erupt ,so they can reduce your freedom ,cause the problem offer the solution.

the solution is going to be the roundup of your guns


[edit on 2-8-2008 by solo1]



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by Vasilis Azoth
I'm not christian but I accept that the 10 commandments are the rules by which a civilization must abide by if it wishes to survive.

"Thou shalt not kill."

That's what it says right?

So, I hear all the time that the U.S. is a "christian" nation. That being the case could you christian americans explain to me why you ignore your GOD given rules when it comes to war?

Killing is murder. I'm disgusted that there are so many barbarians left in my world that don't understand that.


Well, I was always under the impression it said, "Thou shall not murder", not kill.

And don't you worry your pretty little head about what goes on between me and God. And I'm Roman Catholic, I have general absolution during wartime.



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