From a British soldier in Afghanistan - REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!, page 4
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reply posted on 2-8-2008 @ 07:17 PM by marg6043
reply to post by fred3110



Thanks for bringing the OP back, I asked the same question where was their backup I guess communications were very bad or poor as to have the soldiers actually lost for 3 days or just unaccounted for.

Very pitiful.


reply posted on 2-8-2008 @ 08:36 PM by Quazga
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan



Wow....


You know, so many people think that those of us who are against the Iraq war are against war in general. And I'd have to say that the Afghanistan war is where my heart is.

It really all makes sense. It's not complicated like Iraq is.

In Afghanistan there are men, specifically men, who believe in such primitive ways that it causes much suffering amongst their people.

Now we helped put these people in place though. This was a mistake with greatly unfortunate, and I'd also have to admit unexpected, consequences. No one ever thought that funding a rebel group in Afghanistan would result in them training idealists to attack us in return.

That was probably the most egregious act of insolence that I have ever seen. Now maybe behind the scenes the US tried to impose vassalage, but then again, maybe not, who knows.

Either way, we let that go on for much too long, and when we invaded Afghanistan, it made all the sense in the world.

As for the guy we put in as president, the former executive of some oil company, I wasn't so sure that made any sense to begin with.

However, from the limited view that I have seen, he doesn't appear to be a bad leader. I could be wrong about this too; he could turn out to be not only a sockpuppet but a tool too. However, as I said, he appears to be leading just fine.

The key thing is, that the men and women who are fighting this war in Afhganistan are fighting a just war which will result in less suffering for the people of Afhganistan. Or at least that is my wish.

Even though it may be, as some others have eluded to, just a pawn on a giant chessboard, the alternative to the war in Afghanistan is an oppressive regime who encourages strict sharia law and honor killings. That just sounds insidious to me.

You can feel the intensity in this letter I believe. Thank you very much for sharing it with me. And God Bless these heroes on the real front lines of what we are fighting against.


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reply posted on 2-8-2008 @ 10:35 PM by For(Home)Country
reply to post by d11_m_na_c05



You say you're a human rights activist. And that is fine. We need people like you. But, ironically, in your attempt to "save your fellow man" in the middle east from the "monsters" that our soldiers are (I quote monsters in citation of you) via bashing everyone who is writing on this thread, regarding the success story as reported by bigfurrytexan, you only end up tearing down us. Isn't the attempt of being an activist to bring peace to all? I see you are obviously anti-Christian, judging from your avatar. Let me guess, you saw that in Christianity's attempt to gain more people to believe, it only turned them away, and judged them, correct? Then how are you any different?

Here in this thread is supposed to be a small little area where we can actually see something good done within our military, as reported by the letter from Bigfurrytexan, but instead, we are met with a flood of cynical posts tearing down all what we are trying to do. Do it else where. If you call it truth, that is fine, but take your truth elsewhere. Obviously we would all rather live in what you would deam "arrogance". You are a minority. Lots of people don't agree with the war, including myself, but that doesn't mean that we don't back the courage of our soldiers, or pawns as it was said earlier. arrogance. GTFO.

Aren't you supposed to stick up for people as an activist? You kind of seem to be doing the opposite. Think about it.

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reply posted on 2-8-2008 @ 11:08 PM by whiteraven
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan



Hey biggy...that choked me up...thanks.

I read the article....2nd line of post.


reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 01:12 AM by DarthAmerica
Originally posted by solo1
The Canadians take the brunt in Afghanistan being in the south
But we will not waiver our resolve.

Unlike Iraq the illegitimate war,Afghanistan had training bases for a terrorist organization .As such it was a haven for extremists.
It makes no Difference that it was the CIA who installed them and invented
al-CIA-da ,the fact remains the govt harbored them.

IF it gets any worse we will send the Queens regiment we will Prevail.

Pakistan is the next stop for they too are harboring extremists .

Does anyone know when we will be entering Israel and America to clean out the extremists there ?


There is nothing illegitimate about the war we are fighting in Iraq. If you do not understand why we are there then say so. Make a new thread even and I'll explain it to you in detail. If you prefer to learn in private, PM me. But don't speak about things you don't know about publicly. The United States had an interest in defeating and remaking Iraq and it is paying off in huge dividends. You may have noticed that the entire Middle East all the way along the Atlantic along the North African Coast is calming down and that includes a lot of the traditional Arab vs Israeli disputes. Take a look at a map and see why Iraq is important before posting such a misinformed comment. Perhaps you should spend a little time doing research or actually come over here to see the drastic improvement in quality of life and freedom since we have been over here. If you only had any idea of how little you actually know...

Also little naive ivory tower comments like "Al-CIA-Da" show how ignorant you really are about the nature of this war. The CIA fought a covert war against the Soviets 30 years ago and it and the Special Forces we in and did what they did to the Taliban. They organized local resistance and provided logistics support to defeat a common opponent. If 30 years later some of those involved are on a different side then there is no conspiracy there. Alliances are based on common interest. Once those interest diverge then the relationship is over. What you are suggesting is they alliances are permanent. I mean heck, UK and Germany have been to war with each other and are now allies. Japan and the USA have waged terrible destruction on each other and now I'm fighting along side Japanese soldiers. Things change. Stop posting like an adolescent pre-teen no it all because you really really come off as an uninformed person.

If you want to discuss this intelligently then we could cover a great deal. Otherwise anything further would be a waste of time talking to a zealot. Also, to answer your last question about entering America. Never. Because no nation would have the means to do that in 100 years and because only uninformed webrangers think America is run by extremist.


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reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 02:18 AM by billybob
reply to post by DarthAmerica



everything in your post can be seen through a mirror, which flips the entire image into it's opposite.

you say fighting alongside the japanese, for example, is a 'good' thing, when in fact, if wars 'worked', there would be no more fighting.

war is a virus, purposely spread by the doctors of big industry.

break, build, rinse, repeat.

invisible shifting enemies, and two minutes of hate. orwell noticed it 60 or 70 years ago, and wrote a great 'fiction' novel about it.

although it IS beneficial to afghanistan to have the INSANE taliban NOT control law, it is NOT the reason(excuse) for war. the reason was to find bin laden, and now, he is barely mentioned.

and, indeed, saving IRAQ from saddam was not the excuse for that war. it was to save AMERICA from saddam, but now saddam is no longer in power(he's on a beach, sipping pina colladas, somewhere), and, yet, the war rages on.

the real reason in both wars is control of OIL. a pipeline through afghanistan to make the caspian oil economical to transport, and iraqi reserves.
and, the other real reason, is to put slave yokes on the entire world population through fear-mongering tactics and unpayable financial burden.


edited to fix the intent of this sentence:

although it IS beneficial to afghanistan to have the INSANE taliban control law, it is NOT the reason(excuse) for war. the reason was to find bin laden, and now, he is barely mentioned.


[edit on 3-8-2008 by billybob]


reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 03:54 AM by noangels
reply to post by pstrron



No but I have relatives in the forces and a good old work mate who was SF and went civvy street after the gulf war.
I have heard 1st hand alot about warfare from these fellows from the falklands,Northern Ireland,south africa,Bosnia,gulf war and even Beirut!


If i want to talk about subjects like this on the net then I choose to do it
If you want me to shut up come to my pad and make me shut up*big grin*Have a nice day,chill out a bit and have a brew or two

The army used to be a decent profession,with the soldiers by whole respected for their skills.These two piss poor wars have tarnished that reputation for good and now the Army are finding drop out levels rising and recruitment levels dropping.*things must be so bad their allowing 41 year old amercians to join.lol*
These two wars have now threatened my country with terrorist attacks it would never would have have to dealt with in the past.Our mighty armies have been used as pawns to further the agenda of our so called leaders in their vision of the middle east

I will support every member of the armed forces out there who has a Consence.I would shake their hand,buy them a drink and listen to them.I would never support racist thugs who dont care why there out there and boast about the number of towel heads they have killed


reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 11:08 AM by DarthAmerica
Originally posted by billybob
reply to
post by DarthAmerica



the real reason in both wars is control of OIL.


WOW! That would be the greatest conspiracy of them all except that the Middle East doesn't really have anything else to offer except oil and a large percentage of it comes from there. Why else would we fight there. I'd be upset if I found out I was over here for any other reason!


a pipeline through afghanistan to make the caspian oil economical to transport, and iraqi reserves.
and, the other real reason, is to put slave yokes on the entire world population through fear-mongering tactics and unpayable financial burden.


Ummm yeah. I don't do the tin foil hat thing so forgive me for not discussing that. I know this board is about conspiracy's so I do understand how something as "different" as this got mentioned. However, unlike oil, which is an obvious necessity for modern life. Your assertion of trying to set up a global slavery is not supported by anything so until you prove that. I have no comment.



reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 12:10 PM by marg6043
reply to post by DarthAmerica



The true words of a Kool aid feed patriot looking at the world with its pink colored glasses, but then again this thread should not be about the legality of the Illegal war in Iraq, but about the poor souls left behind and forgotten for three days in the wilderness of Afghanistan, without water.





[edit on 3-8-2008 by marg6043]


reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 12:21 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to
post by DarthAmerica



The true words of a Kool aid feed patriot looking at the world with its pink colored glasses, but then again this thread should not be about the legality of the Illegal war in Iraq, but about the poor souls left behind and forgotten for three days in the wilderness of Afghanistan, without water.





[edit on 3-8-2008 by marg6043]


Peter Brit and his men don't want our pity. They want our respect.

Tough men if ever there were any (the Brits have always proven tenacious), they don't lament their position. They just do their duty, and do it with honor.


reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 12:28 PM by marg6043
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan



Still something doesn't add when it comes to those that are suppose to provide for the safety of our soldiers (regardless of which country they are from) when they are left on the ground to do their job.

Glad that they are alive, but the truth is that they could be now just more numbers to add to the casualties of war and not for dying from wounds but dying from lack of water.

Because oversight, no honor on that one, that is call negligence.


reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 01:36 PM by DarthAmerica
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to
post by DarthAmerica



The true words of a Kool aid feed patriot looking at the world with its pink colored glasses, but then again this thread should not be about the legality of the Illegal war in Iraq, but about the poor souls left behind and forgotten for three days in the wilderness of Afghanistan, without water.

[edit on 3-8-2008 by marg6043]


This happens in war. "left behind and forgotten" is highly unlikely. Sometimes there are issues that come up. Its called the fog of war. Soldiers know this is a possibility. There will be an AAR(after action review) and should it be determined that there was neglect, people will be relieved. Otherwise this is just how war is for some. Also, I'm no cool aid drinker. I've been at war the last 18 months. I speak very candidly about issues i get to be a part of or witness 1st hand.
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