It has been suggested in another thread that ATS and other online communities are using positive reinforcement as mind control. This is simply not the case.

Influence is NOT control.

If I hand you a biscuit every time you smile that does not mean you will smile to get biscuits. You might smile when you want a biscuit, you might even refuse a biscuit when you smile and you are offered a biscuit. If receiving biscuits makes you feel good about yourself you may choose to keep smiling all day long. But that does NOT mean you have been forced into smiling.

Points, stars, whatever, are a measure of something but that something is up to you. You may not care less about them.

If you determine your actions by them then YOU are controlling yourself. Saying you are controlled by little blue stars, flags and points is like a drug addict saying they are controlled by the drug itself to take it when in fact every time they take a drug they make a CHOICE.

You will actually find the reason why you are 'controlled' is because you want to be. There are things that limit people's lives but positive reinforcement is not one of them, it is a CHOICE.

So, everybody calm down. Oh, and btw, there‘s a virtual biscuit on its way to anyone who replies to this thread..

Originally posted by The_Alarmist2012
First of all I never said I believed anything to be true, nor do I disbelieve,

Well, there you are, that is where your problem begins, you don’t have any clear idea of what YOU THINK in the first place in regards to your 'project'. You have no clearly defined basis for any investigation to start with!

in order to pursue a theory it requires some level of investigation,

But first you actually have to have a theory to test, or investigate, and you do not have one.

After exploring a wealth of information in the online persona thread, I became interested in other aspects of the "online community" and began looking into what exactly motivates members here, the positive reinforcements are part of that,

So, what was it exactly about the psychology of identity that made you take the nonsensical leap to positive reinforcement? You suggested in your thread that positive reinforcement at ATS is MIND CONTROL of members here, it is not. Now you try and tone down your language to say that positive reinforcement motives people at ATS. You can’t investigate a ’theory’ when you change it to suit your later conclusions you know!

but only. It is a project of sorts... At least I will be trying to prove my theories rather than just speculate on the 'possible'.

What is you point with that remark? Also, you previously state that you do not have any opinion on your theories (which you are not even sure of in your own mind!) BUT, you are seeking to PROVE them. An unbiased investigation would not seek just to prove something. And speculation is essential to any investigation so you’ve got more problems if you dismiss any speculation.

I can't get into this too deep right now, but I will, in time.

You really do not know what you are doing with you so called 'investigation'. All you have done is posted on ATS creating an artificial situation using a fanfare of pseudo scientific language to bestow a greater significance on your ideas than they actually have. You have simply posted a few posts about some thoughts you have on the subject. It is NOT an 'investigation' of a theory. That would require criteria that you simply have not met. By your standards of rigorous enquiry everyone who posts something on ATS is starting an 'investigation' of a 'theory'.

And I notice you still have not stated what your Hypothesis is?

Originally posted by UFOpsychiczebra
And even if you refuse my challenge, can you at least answer the one question about your 'investigation‘ which you should obviously already know, what is your hypothesis?

Let me be as honest as I can at this time with you, I will NOT reveal anything of that nature at this time, if I did I assure you that I would be shut down quickly, evidence is a must, without it I don't have a chance, and that evidence is hard to obtain here when members are reluctant, the staff make an overwhelming presence in a speculative discussion.

I will expose everything when the investigation is complete, unless I am prevented from doing so by being barred from the site, banned, or denied access. A true investigation here will be tough, if not nearly impossible, and if I give you an in depth hypothesis now I could be shut down.

I have already been told in private by a staff member "if you feel the need to experiment, do it elsewhere. We frankly don't have the time for this".

Discussion of speculative theories here is fine on just about everything, however when that speculative theory involves the site, it may be a problem?

I suppose we may find out, then again, maybe not.

If not, maybe then you should be asking 'them' why?

Oh come on, that is just plain silly.

You are creating a non-existent conspiracy centred around one thing - you.

You appear not to know what an hypothesis is as it would clearly not be necessary for you to finish your investigation to state what your hypothesis is.

You also clearly do not understand positive reinforcement.

As you stated in your thread that you believe ATS is using positive reinforcement as mind control we will assume that forms part of your hypothesis., and that is one major flaw in your 'reasoning'. Much of the reward system at ATS is unpredictable. If is wasn't there would be people playing the system and members like you would have points, stars and applause in the millions. That unpredictability makes it ineffective for the motives you attribute to it. Also, much of the reward system is in the hands of the membership, so you must think the majority, if not all members at ATS (except for you that is) are in on the mind control. Don’t you see how daft your thinking is?

How do you have the audacity to accuse anyone of attempting mind control tactics when you post deliberately manipulate posts to members who have shown by their posts that they suggestive - yes I noticed that about you. You are trying many tactics to get empathy, cause division, false alignment etc. you name it, you’re doing it to get anyone to think your way. But one thing you refuse to do is discuss your actions and thinking in the cold light of a serious argument, because that is exactly what you want to avoid.


[edit on 2-8-2008 by UFOpsychiczebra]

Originally posted by The_Alarmist2012
I have already been told in private by a staff member "if you feel the need to experiment, do it elsewhere. We frankly don't have the time for this".

Yet another T&C infraction today:

2f.) Private Messages: You will not use the private messaging system (U2U) to send mass messages to multiple member accounts. All private messages are subject to these terms and conditions, violations will result in immediate account termination. You also agree that "U2Us" (Private Messages) are confidential. You will not post or publically display U2Us received from ATS staff or other members, in any way, without the written permission of the author.

If you were going to do it, why not the whole u2u? Didn't sound ominous? Well, it's my words so I give myself the permission to post them:

We have a busy site to run here and the staff doesn't have the time for these "experiments". Personally, I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt and have attempted to answer everything that I could. This on the other hand is beyond the boundries of patience. PLEASE, if you feel the need to experiment, do it elsewhere. We frankly don't have the time for this.

This to an issue unrelated to this thread. Makes a lot more sense now, doesn't it?

Our members are DAMN smart, I'm SURE they can see what's going on here.