Originally posted by Ichabod
Conspiracy against God
What I would like to do is give you an overview of the real conspiracy against God the way I perceive it to exist.
I enjoy reading what you say about God, and the things of God.
You may like reading what I have to say.
To do this I will need to use some bible versus and it will take long multiple posts, which I hope you will respond to and converse with me about.
We may not agree on what constitutes scripture or what can be seen by someone as being from God, which I think it can be anything formed or made not
just the bible, only there is not a lot of common language that people can use to communicate spiritual ideas.
Anything can be scripture, whether it be written like the bible or Koran, formed like a sculpture, or made like a song, even a piece of cheese with
the face of Jesus on it in my opinion could be thought of as scripture.
So long as there is someone who looks to a thing in the belief it contains meaning from God, then it can be thought of as scripture.
Whatever form it comes in, if it is truly from God then it was received by the operation of supernatural miraculous power, that is by revelation, and
revelation is required to obtain any working interpretation of meaning from it.
Understand that when I reference a verse from the bible, I am not doing it to offer some sort of proof of what I am saying just as an illustration of
my positions, and to serve as a common point to help in the communicating of deeper spiritual concepts.
The conspiracy against God is not a human conspiracy in origin, but humans are used as pawns against God, by the control and manipulation of our
beliefs through word craft, a form of spiritual sorcery like drugs can be used by an individual as a form of purely physical sorcery to entrap and
Individuals without a conscience, who have left from the human race, hold power over our minds, mainly through religion.
But all systems of government, religious secular, political, economic, social, all the governing systems of this world are tapped as platforms for the
manipulation of our beliefs by the servants of Molech, or children of the devil as Jesus called them.
They use mainly the spiritual casting of words, or word craft if you will, to exert control over our minds, and by so doing direct our actions in ways
favorable to their aims..
Language is constantly devolving, dropping off all ideas related to spiritual things, the further we remove ourselves from God and the knowledge of
This is natural to a great extent, much like the decline of understanding about how we get our food by people who no longer live on farms, all they
know experientially speaking is to go to the store and buy their food, even though they may be aware intellectually that tomatoes are grown on a farm,
they have no or little working knowledge of farming.
Language at the same time is also constantly evolving, adapting new concepts to convey the maximum possible understanding of the purely physical
world, which is all we can know experientially speaking, that is without any active participation from God or the spiritual in our lives.
This lack of any real personal experience of spiritual things, as a condition in which most of us live our lives, is why we are so vulnerable to
having our beliefs manipulated by those who are accustomed to working with spiritual operation of power.
If a farmer tells us that tomatoes grow on trees, we don't really know for sure what the truth is having only ever bought our tomatoes from the
grocery store, so we naturally tend to believe them and take them at their word.
All of this holds true for spiritual things as well.
Take for instance the teachings of life after death, or the trinity, by the Christian religious authorities.
We don't really know what the truth is on an individual level, because of our lack of personal experience with the things of the spirit, so if we buy
our religion at the Christian grocery store we naturally tend to believe what we are told by our perceived christian authorities.
This holds firm as a premise for all aspects of our life and living, simply because there is always spiritual truth which exists in real time
regarding everything, but it can only be known in the moment on an individual level, in terms of that part or degree which should be seen and
understood as personally applicable, by spiritual manifestation, specifically, word of knowledge, word of wisdom, or discerning of spirits, sometimes
called enlightenment or the gift of the inner eye ect...
If we are told that the true, right, and correct political view, is service to our country, and sacrifice for a politically defined greater good,
because of lack of any real personal experience with the nature of political truth in real time spiritually speaking, we naturally believe what we are
told is true from those we perceive to be the authorities.
This is our great and common vulnerability which as humans we all share.
It is due to our lack of personal experience with the existing ever-present fuller spectrum of truth, that is added degrees of truth in real time
which are always available but seldom accessed, beyond just our limited senses perceptions regarding things physical or spiritual.
If we are not tapped into the spiritual side of life we can easily fall victim to manipulation by others utilizing this wider scope of recognitions,
they are seeing both the living spiritual truth as well as the dead physical realities of what is true at the same time, while we by our five senses
can only see what is true physically at the moment.
With spiritual sight you have the potential to see the objective truth in real time regarding a matter, but the most you can see by your five senses
perceptions alone is subjective truth.
Here is my first point where I would like to add a verses from the bible.
My adding these versus is not in anyway an attempt to prove my point using the bible.
I am only doing it for the sake of illustration and mutual understanding, and that will be the case throughout my posts whenever I add a verse.
Also, I realize that I can be wrong in my interpretations as can everyone who tries to understand anything.
What I would like you to see is I am adding these first verses to help aluminate recognition of the co-existence of two realities, the lesser reality
of the physical which exists within the greater reality of the spiritual, and that the purely physical mind can only know and experience the existence
of the physical, whereas the spiritual mind can know and experience the existence of both simultaneously.
1Co 2:12 - 14 (KJV)
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with
spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
they are spiritually discerned.
Now I would like to know if you agree with me so far on most of the things I have said, especially about the co-existence of two realities, that of
the physical and spiritual simultaneously, before proceeding into explaining more of the who, what, when, where, why, and how's of what I believe to
be the real conspiracy against God.
[edit on 2-8-2008 by newday]