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posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 07:45 AM
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Something to think about when considering your vote for John McCerry McSame McBush McCain ... (i get those mixed up so often)


I’m sure you’ve heard the Woody Allen quote that 80% of success is showing up. While merely showing up — to work, to an audition, to a date, etc. — won’t guarantee success, it’s certainly a prerequisite.

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So. If showing up is 80% of success (for arguments sake)

Then why is John McCain The most absent voter in all of the senate ?

Which comes in at a staggering 63.3% and climbing



interesting side note: On top of this staggering % - John McCain (as of May 17th 2008) has missed 42 straight senatorial votes and counting.


He also has missed Every single environmental vote in this congress.



Now.


Compare that with Barack Obama

at 44.8% of votes missed.


What are the reasons that McCain has missed almost 20% more than Obama?

It can't be the campaign. Because short term memory synapse bursts will recall to your mind the fact that it was a brutal battle between Clinton and Obama, while McCain set back in the easy seat.

In fact, ATS gives us proof enough that most conservatives feel the republican nomination was fixed.

So why has John McCain missed so many votes during a fixed nomination process?





( Here is an interesting list of votes McCain has missed. Note: Dont forget to click on the "older votes" at the bottom to see more)


why does mccain bash obama for missing the same votes he missed? Do we have another republican double standard on our hands?



In the end all, if 80% of success is showing up, then lets weigh our options (gota do it this way, since neither candidate is perfect)



John McCain has an 80% chance for success, 36.7% of the time.

If this were high school - he'd fail. ( Atleast he's consistent



on the other hand

Barack Obama has shown up 55.2% of the time for his job. So he has a much higher chance to be in that 80% category.


So the math is clear. We can expect more success rates from Obama than we can McCain.

Since Math is the universal language, allow me to put it to you this way


If Barack Hussein Obama is almost 20% better at being 80% successful over John Sidney McCain...then one can only deduce:

Barack Obama > John McCain

Seems elementary to me, my fellow Americans







[edit on 8/1/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]




posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 08:26 AM
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Using your argument, If this were high school...Obama would fail too.

Looks like if you're going to base your argument on senate votes you need to throw both candidates in the garbage and go third party.



posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 08:31 AM
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I would say that in the case of politicians 80% of success is failure while not showing up is 80% of the people's success.



posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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So, by them not doing what we nominated them to do - they are doing us a favor?

I hardly grasp that concept...



posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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Maybe you should re-read my article


"since neither candidate is perfect"


:shk:

You silly conservatives. Your brain automatically omits ANYTHING that doesn't make your story look good.


This is politics.

Not high school prom king.


You have to choose the better of the two flunkies.

Didn't you get that memo?



Furthermore, Obama didnt finish at the bottom of his class in anything.

Obama didnt loose 5 planes, use racial slurs, and divorce his ex-wife



This isnt about the people's personal lives.

It's about their ability to show up to work.

In its own essence, the POTUS, is a JOB.

If you can't show up for your job as a senator
How can we expect you to show up as a president?



[edit on 8/1/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]



posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 01:04 PM
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Andrew, no doubt your percentages are correct. It seems to me that you would be better served if you could illustrate the percentages based on meaningful legislation that was missed by both candidates. Every vote is not based on meaningful legislation.


With an ongoing war in Iraq, $4 a gallon gasoline, Midwest floods, a credit crunch and creeping inflation, rest assured, our congressmen have their eyes on the ball. By a vote of 302-96 last week, the House of Representatives passed the Captive Primate Safety Act, a bold step on the road to outlawing pet monkeys. The House bill boasts 26 co-sponsors, including three from Illinois, Republican Mark Kirk and Democrats Jan Schakowsky and Luis Gutierrez. The Senate is expected to take up the companion bill in the next few weeks.


source

If this is the kind of votes these two are missing then I have no complaint. There are more important issues that Congress should be tackling rather than issues like this one. Now we know why Congress has such a low approval rating.



posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 01:59 PM
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Yes, let's look at the last few votes he missed.



H. Con. Res. 398 Providing for an adjournment or recess of the two Houses. (On the Concurrent Resolution)

Declares that, when the Senate recesses or adjourns on any day from Friday, August 1, 2008, through Friday, September 5, 2008, it stand recessed or adjourned until noon on Monday, September 8, 2008.

Dang it! He missed the vote on wether or not the Senate should take a recess until Sep 5. That has to be one of the most important votes ever. If can't show up for a vote to decide if they need a break for a month, then is he really fit to be President.



Cloture on the Motion to Proceed (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to Consider S. 3001 )

So basically they were voting if they should stop discussion about yet another bill. (S. 3001: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2009) This was not a vote on the acutal defense budget for 2009, but a vote on if they should vote.



Jul 30, 2008 11:50 AM Absent Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to Consider S.3335
Cloture Motion Rejected 51-43, 6 not voting (3/5 required)

Yet another vote to decide if they should vote. These votes on voting are extemely important ya know.


I'm sure that there were some votes on acutal issues that he missed, but to help make the point that jam321 mentioned I've included the above examples. Those votes took place in just 2 different days, Wed and Thurs of this week. As was mentioned before. A straight numbers game doesn't work. You need to cite which votes he's missed and their importance to the U.S. before anyone will take this seriously.



posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
You have to choose the better of the two flunkies.

Didn't you get that memo?


Why did you just limit it to the "two flunkies" when you have potentially dozens to choose from?



posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 02:35 PM
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I’m sure you’ve heard the Woody Allen quote that 80% of success is showing up.


Apparently I've woken up in an alternate universe where Woody Allen is some sort of sage instead of a step-child marrying dirty old man. Hopefully his movies are less boring here too.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 02:03 PM
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oh please, dbates. Are you serious??

Which votes has McCain missed? Im guessing you didnt read my post, at all


So allow me to post them for you -

AGAIN




Full List of missed votes from McCain


He didn't show up for the FISA bill vote.

He missed a vote on Iran and then turned around and criticized Obama for missing the same on.

He skipped out on a very important GI Bill vote





I guess you missed this little section too?

McCain has missed every vote on the environment


But yeah - you're right, dbates. He hasnt missed anything important


Come on. :shk:

McCain may be a war hero. But does that qualify him for POTUS?

Quite Simply put - no. It sure as hell does not. And his absence as a US senator proves it.




Do you choose not to show up to your job when nothing IMPORTANT is going on?

I thought so.











oh, and:



You need to cite which votes he's missed and their importance to the U.S. before anyone will take this seriously.



Maybe you should read the entire post, and look into things before you point the finger. That is.....if you yourself wish to be taken seriously?

[edit on 8/2/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]

[edit on 8/2/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 02:05 PM
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reply to post by loam
 


Good point. Its a common mistake i make to limit it to the two main candidates.

Its something im trying to improve on


Nice catch.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 02:16 PM
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Next post to add the thought:


I think its hilarious that you all have no problem with McCain not showing up AT ALL

and then turn around and bash obama for voting present.





Hypocrisy is a nasty cologne.


I restate my previous statement:


Do you only show up to YOUR job when there's something important going on?

I thought so.

Being a senator is a job.

You do a service and receive a paycheck. made possible by our taxes.

Nice logic though, really.

Its about what i've come to expect from certain people around here.



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 03:14 PM
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Both candidates have missed votes. But not all those votes are on serious issues. You can swing it, smoke it, or wing it anyway you want, but when you can show me that the entire 66.3 % votes that McCain missed were all on serious issues then I will believe your logic. Your logic is also flaw because you fail to show that sometimes Obama and McCain don't vote because they don't agree with the bill. Sometimes they prefer alternate bills. You gave me a list to look at but one would have to read each one closely to see if it is really worth voting on. Sometimes titles can be misleading and Congress has a reputation of adding in fine print.

I ask you this has Congresss fix the national debt, the budget, high energy prices, crumbling infrastructures, social security, medicare, immigration, wars, terrorism, protecting our borders, economy, collapsing financial institutions, corruption in government, lobbyist, jobs going overseas, pork barrel funds, government waste, Americans right to privacy and many more issues that I could add?

I really don't give a damn if you take me serious or not. You can defend your Obama till your blue in the face. Your very good at saying Obama did this but McCain didn't or vice versa. Basically tit for tat. I have nothing to lose cause I favor neither.

I favor the American people and our right to get Congress and the sitting duck President to put us first. Both candidates are full of air and will lie, steal, and cheat to win votes. You have your reason to like Obama and I respect that. But don't think for a second I am going to sit back and let you shove his crap down my throat.

On some things I will defend Obama like with all the muslim, birth certificate , drug type BS. On other issues like healthcare I will point out why he is wrong. You may not agree and I welcome a lively debate but don't start trying to prove me wrong by throwing McCain in the picture. Both candidates have good things and bad things about them and we could go back and forth about who is better.

But the reality I see is that no matter which one wins, the new President will still go along with his party in Congress, repay favors to the big shots that helped get him elected, and both Republicans and Democrats will still be trying to outdo each other rather than take care of the real issues we face.

Once again, look back at some of the issues I mentioned above and tell me how long they have been issues and how many Presidents and Congresses have promised to fix those issues.

This is nothing personal, you have your view and I have mine.

My advice to all politicians is simple, quit promising and start fixing.
Which leads me to my final point. Both McCain and Obama are Senators and have all these plans to implement to fix our problems once they become President. This is so typical of politicians.

Having the power as a US Senator to get things fixed now, they prefer to let America suffer. We have to wait till they get sworn in to see any action. This is what bothers me the most about both candidates. Their interest come first and the rest of America is second. This speaks highly of your Obama, and McCain.
Hoooorrrrraaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!



posted on Aug, 2 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
So, by them not doing what we nominated them to do - they are doing us a favor?

I hardly grasp that concept...


Indeed. For us it is unfortunate that enough of them still show up to make draconian and ill-conceived laws while forgetting that their titles as lawmakers also grants the power of repealing them. Too many sausage makers spoil the keilbasa. If they don't fill the tub the baby won't get thrown out.





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