Whatever Happened to Bringing Our Troops Home from Iraq?, page 1

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Topic started on 31-7-2008 @ 06:01 PM by jam321

“It is past time to end this war that should never have been waged by bringing our troops home, and finally pushing Iraq's leaders to take responsibility for their future.

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This is an Obama quote when he was running against Clinton. Now he no longer mentions bringing the troops home from Iraq. Instead he will send some from Iraq to Afghanistan, keep residual force in Iraq, and keep some in surrounding area. This is a main reason many people latched on to Obama because he was going to bring our troops home from Iraq.

Don't you Obama voters feel disillusioned with his change on bringing the troops home from Iraq?

Wouldn't he be better served using his European excitement to get more European countries to commit more European troops in Afghanistan and bring our brave fighting men and women in Iraq home?

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reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 06:07 PM by Alora

Obama? Why are you irked at him? Kindly remember that he didn't send them there.

And from what I have heard, he gets criticized for his plans to bring them home. Fair enough, maybe his plans do need to be worked on, but at least he is making the effort. Bush never even tried.

reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 06:11 PM by kidsnypes

Well its quite obvious ain't it ? Rule is whoever becomes popular towards the beggining of the presidential campaign "usually" wins right? Well i reckon that was his plan . I myself want John Mccain to be elected president as he's clearly more intelligent than that Obama. However good thinking from Obama lying to get his own way

Classic ...

reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 06:13 PM by jam321

reply to post by Alora

No I am not irked at him. It's a legit question and you gave a legit answer.But to be fair about who sent them, Bush and Congress both sent the troops to Iraq. And you are correct that Bush, nor Congress might I add, has seriously made an effort to bring them home.

reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 06:21 PM by skeptic1

We are, on average, a moderate country.

The primaries are to win your "base". Obama said what he had to say in order to win his base: "Bring them home the day after I settle into the Oval Office".

McCain said what he had to say in order to win his base: "We'll stay as long as it takes to win".

Now, Obama's moved a little to the right....."We'll try to bring them home in 16 months to 2 years" or "We'll move them from the illegal war in Iraq to the real front in the war on terror, Afghanistan".

McCain's moved a little to the left....."A time line isn't out of the question, the surge has worked, and now we can look at bringing them home, maybe the 16 month time line isn't too bad".

They both have to move to the middle in order to stand a chance in the general election.

reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 06:28 PM by Alora

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Thank you for the courteous and fair response

Perhaps I misunderstood the intentions for the original post. When there are so very many people to blame for the troops being over there (still, I might add) I just found it odd that you would single out Obama.

reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 06:30 PM by sos37

Originally posted by Alora
Obama? Why are you irked at him? Kindly remember that he didn't send them there.

And from what I have heard, he gets criticized for his plans to bring them home. Fair enough, maybe his plans do need to be worked on, but at least he is making the effort. Bush never even tried.

Who put the troops there isn't the issue of this thread. The topic is about Obama breaking a campaign promise, well if you want to call it a promise. He said he would do something if elected, so I take that as a promise. But now that he's visited Iraq, he's for extending the war into Afghanistan.

I won't say I disagree with his decision - Afghanistan is where we should have been in the first place if we wanted to fight terrorism.

reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 06:41 PM by jam321

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If McCain had promise to bring troops home and changed his stance, I'll be on his ass too. Why you find it odd is beyond me. At least this isn't about him being Muslim, drugs, black etc. It's about an issue and a issue that is dear to my heart. I believe it's about time to bring all our troops home period. Let the CIA do their covert operations to find Osama Bin Laden. He got famous on this issue and I think the questions are legit as to why he no longer mentions bringing the troops home.

Oh yeah...HOOORRahh

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reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 06:42 PM by kidsnypes

Obama IS NOT i repeat IS NOT going to bring the tropps back home. It would embarass America and would be exactly what happened in Vietnam.

Big great America attacks small third world country suspected of "doing wrong" and then retreats with their great marines back to where they came from without completeling their mission? Oh plzz... Im totally for bringing the troops back home but i think for Obama its more of a personal matter.. Anyone agree?

reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 06:42 PM by kidsnypes

Obama IS NOT i repeat IS NOT going to bring the tropps back home. It would embarass America and would be exactly what happened in Vietnam.

reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 11:21 PM by coolieno99

Originally posted by jam321
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This is a main reason many people latched on to Obama because he was going to bring our troops home from Iraq.
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this is the Obama "Hope" .

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Don't you Obama voters feel disillusioned with his change on bringing the troops home from Iraq?
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this is the Obama "Change" .

Hillary/Webb 2008

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reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 11:26 PM by jetxnet

This is a main reason many people latched on to Obama because he was going to bring our troops home from Iraq.

Don't you Obama voters feel disillusioned with his change on bringing the troops home from Iraq?

Very good point.

Obama supporters just keep drinking the Kool-aid. A major thing for his supporters was the Patriot Act. I remember debating with Obama supporters that he changed his stance on the Patriot Act from firmly opposing it to supporting it.

They found out he lied to them and voted it in. He's not even President and conducting massive lies and Golden Tounge Treachury.

reply posted on 1-8-2008 @ 02:14 AM by Quazga

Originally posted by skeptic1
We are, on average, a moderate country.

The primaries are to win your "base". Obama said what he had to say in order to win his base: "Bring them home the day after I settle into the Oval Office".

McCain said what he had to say in order to win his base: "We'll stay as long as it takes to win".

Now, Obama's moved a little to the right....."We'll try to bring them home in 16 months to 2 years" or "We'll move them from the illegal war in Iraq to the real front in the war on terror, Afghanistan".

McCain's moved a little to the left....."A time line isn't out of the question, the surge has worked, and now we can look at bringing them home, maybe the 16 month time line isn't too bad".

They both have to move to the middle in order to stand a chance in the general election.

Very well put!

reply posted on 1-8-2008 @ 06:57 PM by jam321

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Quaz, you and skeptic1 make a good point. But doesn't this mean that they disillusioned the voters who voted for them in the primary? In other words, the candidates were not being honest from the word go. Why should people believe what they say in the general election if they can't keep their words from the primary?

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