Christ on a cracker, this is one angry man.

I wonder if he'll have some tweaker explanations, like the music through the kids head phones was bothering him.

Possibly more ridiculous and disturbing than the murder itself is the fact that people around here are turning it into a game of "My Country's Better Than Your Country". When's the last time anyone heard of a nutcase just stabbing a fellow busrider for no reason and decapitating him? This is not the type of thing that happens everyday. What does happen everyday are yahoos with firearms going crazy on, for example, the neighbor that stole the newspaper out of their driveway. I'm less concerned about the gun laws than I am about what caused the guy to do this in the first place. Crazy? Maybe. Of course, maybe he was also taking some prescription medication that just didn't "agree" with him. We can argue about this for days. The fact is that no one had a gun, if they did we don't even know if they would've used it, and who is responsible is plainly obvious. Who should shoulder the blame? Why don't we start with the knife-wielding sociopath! As far as I'm concerned, I've seen less good from the "controlled" use of guns. I can hardly turn the news on without hearing about five different shootings locally, and the sad thing is that it's not an exaggeration. Right. Nothing bad ever happens in the great 48.

After reading the article on CNN what questions come to mind is what could have possed this young man to do this and in front of witnesses?
Was he on any meds?
Was there any history between the 2 of them?
I'm not a big guy, but i have been trained to take down a man twice my girth, why didnt anyone one else if thats all he had was a knife?
There's something wierd about this story that doesnt add up.
Hope the mounties can figure it out.

somtimes i have staired in to oblivion were someone would be sat in front of me and i just stair blankly as if nothing is there, thats when i become calm and relaxed but with no emotion and could just come straight out and attack. its nothing to do with mind contorl, its like a trance.

This is so pathetic. I'm absolutely disgusted by these people and their lack of reaction in not helping this guy. Their lack of action helped others from not being hurt?! What about the poor sucker being beheaded?! Just as long as it's not them, huh? They are cowards and should be held responsible for not stepping in to help this poor kid. A whole bus full of able bodied men and women couldn't stop this lunatic from stabbing the life out of their fellow human being? How can people be so apathetic? So apathetic with someone else's life? How can one look at themselves in the mirror after their inaction caused someone else's death? It could have easily been one of them, one of their loved ones. How would they feel if no one came to their aid? These people deserve to carry this burden for a very long time. F#&$@*@ cowards.

Peace. K*

Judging by some of the posts on here maybe everyone should arm themselves to the teeth then there would be no crime... idiots. As a Canadian I am very offended that this act of extreme craziness seems to just boil down to Canada's gun laws. This type of thing doesn't happen everyday here and this is a first for this kind of brazen act.

guns dont kill people, people kill people
knives dont kill people, people kill people
etc
etc

Stop bickering about what you would have done with your waterpistols and show some respect to the victim as well as the 36 other passengers who will now have those images forever burned in there minds while they undertake years possibly a lifetime of therapy.

I live less than an hour away from where this happened, very sad.

I have an idea guys and gals. Lets cut the hypotheticals and try discussing what may have caused this loony to snap.

This stuff doesn't happen in Canada that often. Yes, we have our share of nuts. The two shootings in Montreal in '89 and '06. The nut that shot the mounties in Alberta and other such cases but plain random acts of violence are rare in Canada.

This pissing match about gun laws and "I would have/no you wouldn't have" is pointless and off topic. We do things different in Canada than you folks down south. Let's leave it at that. None of you were there so your musings about your Hero Complexes and the cowards up here don't add to the subject.

Like Val said early, I want to know more about this because the cold way he acted sounds a lot like other cases of "mind control", for lack of a better term.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by GAOTU789]

Everyones a hero, unless of course a situation happens. Then they run.

It's easier to say 'I will do this' 'I'll punch him in the eye' 'I'd grab him, then grab his knife, then stab him'
It's easier to say one will do this, this, and this, in these situations, but if the event actually happened, would you?
It's also simple human psychology, If something bad happens to a person, like someone being pummeled on the street, and there are a lot of people around, "someone else will step in, I don't want to get involved"

It's easier to say you are a hero, than to be one.

From the other (dying) thread...

Wow. Just wow.

It's sickening to me that nobody would try to help the victim. It sounds like there might not have been an opportunity to save him, but damn. We're not going to make it as a species if we don't start having some compassion for our fellow human beings.

This report leaves me with more questions than answers. It's difficult to comprehend that this was completely random, in both occurrence and victim selection. Some kind of gang initiation perhaps? I'd like to see a toxicology report on the assailant, as well as background information on the victim.

Hope it wasn't over something so inconsequential like the sleeping victim leaned and made physical contact, or drooled on him or something.

Again, to me, the most horrendous aspect of this is the fact that nobody even attempted to help, or even subdue the attacker. Keep your fiends close people, because apparently, when it comes to strangers, you're on your own.

Can we please stop the childish if there wasn't gun ban in Canada this would have been stopped by another passenger.

Because if there wasn't a gun ban in Canada this could have become a shootout, bloodbath and massacre.

So can we please stay on the subject?

I hope the police can get some insight in his motives but it seems he indeed snapped or was victim from some influence we will probably never know.

My sympathy goes out to the relatives of the victim and his friends, and ofcourse all the witnesses to this incident.

Let's let the justice system sort this out, but no punishment fits this sick crime.

It reminds me of that Arabian guy who beheaded a kid in a supermarket


Grey Magic

I agree...the thread has turned to a pathetic pissing contest.

I feel for the people who saw this happen. I don't think it fair to conclude nobody attempted to help. As I stated earlier, I have no idea how much help I would need to get over what these people probably witnessed. A methodical repetitive stabbing. Some one said he might have survived it...huh? 40 or 50 stab wounds with a large knife? And then to escape from a situation (i.e. off the bus) that had to have you feeling like evil itself was advancing on your heels just to watch this guy parade the victim's head like a trophy and then go back about mutilating the body.

It's every scene of every zombie or slasher movie ever shot - only it was real and the victim a real person...not fake blood and props...a real person. It's just a very disturbing event.

After watching my local 6PM news here in Ontario, I feel impelled to comment here.

First of all, those passengers did exactly the right thing... getting off the bus and, not only holding the door shut but disabling the bus itself so the killer couldn't drive away. On top of that, some truckers who came to help gave passengers tire irons and other forms of blunt trauma instruments to keep him inside when he broke a window attempting to escape. They held him prisoner in the bus until the cops came.

I'm glad no-one else is in a body bag after trying to tackle this clown.

The young man who was killed, which one witness I saw describe as Native American, wasn't doing a anything other than listening to music on earphones.

The stabbings (40-60 times) meant that the young fellow was dead long before his decapitation (if that's any grace at all).

It was a cold and calculated killing because the killer moved from where he WAS sitting before a bus stop and a smoke to beside the young man when they re-boarded

IF this victim WAS Native American... then this murder MAY have been racially motivated.

It's not just this story and it's not just that He had a knife. People in general refuse to act, even if it's something on a smaller scale. This isn't even remotely close to this horrific event but...

Waiting in My car to pick My son up from middle school. I'm doing a crossword puzzle and My daughter and I are listening to the radio. I look up to see a much larger boy beating up a really little kid. I yell out the window to tell him to knock it off but there was so much commotion from school being let out no one heard Me. I yell again, look around to see what I should do as My youngest is in the front seat. Do I leave Her to help the little boy? GD right. I got out, told My girl to stay put and locked the doors. As I'm running across the street I see other parents pointing and gasping how this little kid's getting his ass beat so bad but no one even tries to help. Pathetic. Alls it took was for someone to step in and stop the fight but did they? NO. These were parents people. Found out the bigger kid was the little guys brother. Nice, Huh?

A few months ago My husband and I were pulling into Our driveway and I saw that once again Our very drunk neighbors were arguing in their yard. As We start to turn in I see Him cock His arm back and thump Her in her eye. I hopped out of the car yelling for Him to stop hitting Her. My husbands having a cow by now cuz I'm getting in their mess and he's afraid I'm gonna get knocked out. I was able to get between them long enough for her to run into her house to call the cops and have Him arrested.

Maybe next time I'll tell You about the old man who had a seizure, wrecked his car and no one stopped to help or stay with Him. Or the 2 dogs let loose and run down by a passerby with their guts hanging out that no one bothered to stop and help or call the cops. Or the lady who was calling for help bcuz Her husband was having chest pains and had passed out on the beach. It's everywhere and I hate it. Apathy.

Now, I know none of these situations were nearly as dangerous but that's kinda the point, nobody wants to get involved because it might inconvenience them. I've taught My children to step in and help where they feel they can and I expect them to, respectful of their age, of course. And Yes, I have impulse control issues, just ask My husband, poor soul.

Would I have stepped in? I like to think so. I'd like to think that someone would step in and help Me or mine. Isn't that Our obligation to Ourselves and to one another? God, sometimes I feel so far removed from this planet. We can't bitch about Our life's situation and the state Our world is in and sit by just to watch it crumble. Somebody has to step up somewhere. Why is it so hard to do? What stops people from doing the right thing? The moral thing? That's what bothers Me most. Not why this fruitloop did what He did but why this young man was left alone with no help. Atleast an attempt to help?

Peace.K*

[edit on 7/31/08 by Demetre]